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So how's is today's shootings going look to the folks that said one gun @ VT would have prevented senseless deaths?-gcti - Grateful11 - 11-06-2009
This is one thing I thought of while watching the world news this evening. I hate to
even bring it up but I so vividly remember all the concealed gun advocates saying
if one student in the area of the Virginia Tech shooter had been packing a pistol
the shooter could have been taken out. Today's shooting took place on a Military
Base, the largest I believe in the world. So what went wrong? Is there no arms on
the this base or something? Before you brush me off as anti-gun sorry but you
would be barking up the wrong tree with that.
Re: So how's is today's shootings going look to the folks that said one gun @ VT would have prevented senseless deaths? - swampy - 11-06-2009
Obviously you've never been in the military, or a military dependent or civilian working on a military base Grateful. Of course there are weapons all over base, but they are locked up or under control. The only personnel allowed to carry a fire arm are the MPs and they have better things to do than stand guard in a processing center waiting for some deranged psycho to start shoot people.
Unlike the civilian world where private citizens may be allowed to carry a weapon, military folks don't have that right when entering the gates. There are exceptions for hunters (as many military installations have land set aside for the sport).
It is rather ironic that those who fight to maintain our freedoms give up many of their own while serving. There are just certain things you cannot do while wearing a uniform. Expressing political preferences in public being one of them.
Re: So how's is today's shootings going look to the folks that said one gun @ VT would have prevented senseless deaths? - Mac1337 - 11-06-2009
It is doubly sad that some people couldn't wait for ambulances to even reach the morgue before taking cheap political shots. He had posted on blogs that suicide bombers are like soldiers throwing themselves on grenades to save their comrades. We will find a long trail of red flags that were "missed".
Re: So how's is today's shootings going look to the folks that said one gun @ VT would have prevented senseless deaths? - Gutenberg - 11-06-2009
Dakota wrote:
It is doubly sad that some people couldn't wait for ambulances to even reach the morgue before taking cheap political shots. He had posted on blogs that suicide bombers are like soldiers throwing themselves on grenades to save their comrades. We will find a long trail of red flags that were "missed".
Where did you get THAT?
Re: So how's is today's shootings going look to the folks that said one gun @ VT would have prevented senseless deaths? - Black - 11-06-2009
I find it completely disgusting that you would stoop so low as to use a real-world occurrence to promote your anti-gun agenda.
It is doubly sad that some people couldn't wait for ambulances to even reach the morgue before taking cheap political shots.
Ah, the old "this is not the right time."
As if you would make a little note in your calendar and then send out an alert when the right time arrives?
Re: So how's is today's shootings going look to the folks that said one gun @ VT would have prevented senseless deaths? - Grateful11 - 11-06-2009
Well Swampy you are correct never been in the Military but I have been at least
through a base. It was even brought up that no one even rushed the VT shooter.
We don't know the circumstances of this situation but we've got a base full of folks that
are ready to go to battle ......... Until I see the layout of the area in which this
happened I'm not going to feed you anymore.
Re: So how's is today's shootings going look to the folks that said one gun @ VT would have prevented senseless deaths? - Greg - 11-06-2009
I thought Swampy's point was a good one. Nevertheless, I'm hoping this degenerates into the usual liberal/conservative, "no, YOU'RE wrong" sort of thread. Those make me feel very, very smart.
Re: So how's is today's shootings going look to the folks that said one gun @ VT would have prevented senseless deaths? - Gutenberg - 11-06-2009
Hasan is still alive. He is stable and in custody at the Ft. Hood hospital.
Re: So how's is today's shootings going look to the folks that said one gun @ VT would have prevented senseless deaths? - Carnos Jax - 11-06-2009
Greg wrote:
I thought Swampy's point was a good one. Nevertheless, I'm hoping this degenerates into the usual liberal/conservative, "no, YOU'RE wrong" sort of thread. Those make me feel very, very smart.
LOL Greg! Beautiful!!!
swampy wrote:
Obviously you've never been in the military, or a military dependent or civilian working on a military base Grateful. Of course there are weapons all over base, but they are locked up or under control. The only personnel allowed to carry a fire arm are the MPs and they have better things to do than stand guard in a processing center waiting for some deranged psycho to start shoot people.
Unlike the civilian world where private citizens may be allowed to carry a weapon, military folks don't have that right when entering the gates. There are exceptions for hunters (as many military installations have land set aside for the sport).
It is rather ironic that those who fight to maintain our freedoms give up many of their own while serving. There are just certain things you cannot do while wearing a uniform. Expressing political preferences in public being one of them.
Grateful11 wrote:
Well Swampy you are correct never been in the Military but I have been at least
through a base. It was even brought up that no one even rushed the VT shooter.
We don't know the circumstances of this situation but we've got a base full of folks that
are ready to go to battle ......... Until I see the layout of the area in which this
happened I'm not going to feed you anymore.
Swampy I don't think there's any need to be condescending, guns are 'little' more prolific than that on a military base. I know pilots that carry their military issue hand guns on/near them while on base. Don't know if that was some kind of out of context situation I saw (I saw it on more than one occasion). So I would venture to guess there are others on a base that 'carry'.
Re: So how's is today's shootings going look to the folks that said one gun @ VT would have prevented senseless deaths? - Dennis S - 11-06-2009
So, let me get this straight. We should let kids carry guns to class so they could be heroes and whip them out and nail the bad guys, but in the military, where men are men and know how to use weapons, they keep them locked up?