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Re: Trump indicted again. - Lemon Drop - 08-02-2023
pdq wrote:
Don’t pick on my (still Blue) former state! Send him to South Dakota!
He should have to move in with Sarah Huckabee Sanders.
Re: Trump indicted again. - rgG - 08-02-2023
Lemon Drop wrote:
[quote=pdq]
Don’t pick on my (still Blue) former state! Send him to South Dakota!
He should have to move in with Sarah Huckabee Sanders.
Oooooo, that’s cold.
I like it.
Re: Trump indicted again. - SteveG - 08-02-2023
Pence:
But Pence reiterated what he has said for months — that he had no right as vice president to overturn the election as Trump and some of his allies claimed.
“For my part, I want people to know that I had no right to overturn the election and that what the president maintained that day, and frankly has said over and over again over the last two and a half years, is completely false,” Pence said. “And it’s contrary to what our Constitution and the laws of this country provide.”
“You know, I’m a student of American history. And the first time I heard in early December somebody suggest that as vice president I might be able to decide which votes to reject and which to accept, I knew that it was false … I dismissed it out of hand,” Pence added. “Sadly, the president was surrounded by a group of crackpot lawyers that kept telling him what his itching ears wanted to hear.”
Re: Trump indicted again. - Lemon Drop - 08-02-2023
https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/14/politics/dan-quayle-pence-trump-january-6-woodward-costa-book/index.html
"(Former VP Dan) Quayle served as a sort-of sounding board for Vice President Mike Pence in the final days of the administration as President Donald Trump leaned hard on him to overturn the 2020 presidential election.
The back-and-forth is documented in “Peril,” a soon-to-be released book by Washington Post reporters Bob Woodward and Robert Costa.
Here’s the key bit:
“Over and over, Pence asked if there was anything he could do.
“‘Mike, you have no flexibility on this. None. Zero. Forget it. Put it away,’ Quayle told him.
“Pence pressed again.
“‘You don’t know the position I’m in,’ he said, according to the authors.
“‘I do know the position you’re in,’ Quayle responded. ‘I also know what the law is. You listen to the parliamentarian. That’s all you do. You have no power.’”
If you think I’m exaggerating about the role Quayle played, consider how things might have gone had he taken a different tact with Pence, telling him to do what Trump asked."
Re: Trump indicted again. - pdq - 08-02-2023
What Makes Jack Smith’s New Trump Indictment So Smart
A good read by "Randall D. Eliason...a former chief of the fraud and public corruption section at the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia and teacher of white-collar criminal law at George Washington University Law School."
His conclusion:
This indictment presents detailed and overwhelming allegations. It reflects sound legal and tactical decisions that should allow the government to move quickly and put on a powerful case. The most significant prosecution of Mr. Trump is off to a strong start.
It's not like Trump didn't do everything in his power to dig this hole for himself.
Re: Trump indicted again. - Lemon Drop - 08-02-2023
Now he just has to convince 12 jurors that Trump exceeded what he had a legal right to do.
Re: Trump indicted again. - pdq - 08-02-2023
Lemon Drop wrote:
Now he just has to convince 12 jurors that Trump exceeded what he had a legal right to do.
It's Trump's only chance now - try to sneak a typical Trumpie in on the jury.
BTW, the NYT now says that co-conspirator #6 (the "political consultant") fits best with Boris Epshteyn.
Boris Epshteyn (born August 14, 1982) is a Russian-American [actually born in Moscow, 1982] Republican political strategist, investment banker, and attorney. He was a strategic advisor on the Donald Trump 2020 presidential campaign and has remained a close advisor to Trump in his post-presidency.[1] He was the chief political commentator at Sinclair Broadcast Group until December 2019.[2] He was a senior advisor to Donald Trump's 2016 campaign for President of the United States, and previously worked on the John McCain 2008 presidential campaign. Following Trump's election, he was named director of communications for the Presidential Inaugural Committee,[3] and then assistant communications director for surrogate operations in the White House Office, until he resigned in March 2017. He was a member of a team of Trump lawyers[4][5] who sought to prevent the certification of Joe Biden's victory in the 2020 presidential election.
Epshteyn and Steve Bannon co-created a cryptocurrency, $FJB, which officially stands for "Freedom Jobs Business" but is also an initialism for "Fuck Joe Biden". As of 2023, the currency has lost 95% of its value.
miley-laughing001:
Re: Trump indicted again. - gadje - 08-02-2023
Lemon Drop wrote:
Now he just has to convince 12 jurors that Trump exceeded what he had a legal right to do.
Do we need all 12 to convict?
Re: Trump indicted again. - SteveG - 08-02-2023
Trump blasted Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis ®, who is running second behind Trump in most GOP primary polls, before taking a swipe at Pence, who is also running for the nomination.
“Like Mike Pence, who I took from a flawed and failing gubernatorial re-elect campaign in the Great State of Indiana to make my V.P., Ron is a very disloyal guy who has taken bad advice!” Trump wrote.
In a second Truth Social post, Trump wrote: “I feel badly for Mike Pence, who is attracting no crowds, enthusiasm, or loyalty from people who, as a member of the Trump Administration, should be loving him.”
Trump, the front-runner for the 2024 Republican nomination, went on to claim once again that the vice president had the power to intervene in the election results, something Pence and legal scholars have repeatedly said was not the case.
Re: Trump indicted again. - Lemon Drop - 08-02-2023
gadje wrote:
[quote=Lemon Drop]
Now he just has to convince 12 jurors that Trump exceeded what he had a legal right to do.
Do we need all 12 to convict?
Yes. A unanimous decision is required to convict.