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Re: Mitt gets Mormons to apologize for posthumous baptisms of Jews - Black - 02-15-2012
Grace62 wrote:
[quote=Black]
I can tell them to shut up but they might stop coming to therapy, and some of them really need it.
No need to tell anyone to shut up. Are these mostly seniors? Just change the subject. Some people feel uncomfortable with silence and just try to fill it with whatever. If you steer them onto something else I bet they'll go willingly. No, not mostly seniors. The older folks who come my way seem to have better boundaries, and are less likely to have been sucked into one of these whacked-out $mega-churches$ that seem to target my part of town for prey.
It seems to be folks in their late 40s to early 50s most of the time.
I can handle it, thanks- it just gets wearying when it's literally one after another some days. Did you really think I literally meant that I would tell them to "shut up?"
Re: Mitt gets Mormons to apologize for posthumous baptisms of Jews - Pops - 02-15-2012
Dennis S wrote:I suppose that's preferable to the Jewish mom returning the Baptist boy home and saying he'd "accidentally" been circumcised.
I remember hearing of a Jewish boy who visited his Baptist friends for a day and when the Baptist mom took him home, she told the Jewish mom her boy "accidentally" got baptized.
Re: Mitt gets Mormons to apologize for posthumous baptisms of Jews - Lux Interior - 02-15-2012
Grace62 wrote:
"(Rabbi Abraham Cooper of the Simon Wiesenthal Center) called the actions "unacceptable," saying that people who lost everyone and everything and were murdered for being Jewish during the Holocaust should not have their souls hijacked by another religion."
I just don't get this. I don't believe that baptism does anything except get you wet. If the Rabbi claims that these souls have been "hijacked by another religion" it seems to me that he is saying that the Mormon afterlife is an alternate, yet valid option to the one the Jews believe in.
A more appropriate response would be to say that this is disrespectful to the families of the deceased, and they (the LDS church) should apologize, but it's not going to have any effect at all on the soul of the deceased.
Re: Mitt gets Mormons to apologize for posthumous baptisms of Jews - RgrF - 02-15-2012
Soul?
Re: Mitt gets Mormons to apologize for posthumous baptisms of Jews - Chakravartin - 02-15-2012
Lux Interior wrote:
[quote=Grace62]
"(Rabbi Abraham Cooper of the Simon Wiesenthal Center) called the actions "unacceptable," saying that people who lost everyone and everything and were murdered for being Jewish during the Holocaust should not have their souls hijacked by another religion."
I just don't get this.
Call it an attempted hijacking then.
Re: Mitt gets Mormons to apologize for posthumous baptisms of Jews - DaviDC. - 02-15-2012
Baptism in the Baptist church is full submersion, unlike a few other churched that sprinkle. No one gets accidentally baptized in a Baptist church.
Re: Mitt gets Mormons to apologize for posthumous baptisms of Jews - Spock - 02-15-2012
Pops wrote:I suppose that's preferable to the Jewish mom returning the Baptist boy home and saying he'd "accidentally" been circumcised.
[quote=Dennis S]
I remember hearing of a Jewish boy who visited his Baptist friends for a day and when the Baptist mom took him home, she told the Jewish mom her boy "accidentally" got baptized.
Now that's funny.
Re: Mitt gets Mormons to apologize for posthumous baptisms of Jews - Mac-A-Matic - 02-15-2012
Black wrote:
I can't help but find it entertaining that the Mormons seem to want in on jewdom.
Much better than some sort of edict to kill us . . .
They're just upset that Jews are God's Chosen People.
After all, you can't really have a religion based on following a brown-skinned saviour when everyone knows (at least those that know Mormonism) that Jesus Christ was Lily White.
Re: Mitt gets Mormons to apologize for posthumous baptisms of Jews - $tevie - 02-15-2012
The apology was for baptizing Simon Wiesenthal's parents specifically. Which explains how it can be attributed to one person.
Here is a far better article which is a lot less vague:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17036046
A perusal of the Wikipedia article on Baptism of the Dead is helpful, too.
It's an odd concept overall -- but the baptism of Holocaust victims seems to be an abuse of this concept rather than its focus.
And incidentally, the soul is free to reject the baptism.
Re: Mitt gets Mormons to apologize for posthumous baptisms of Jews - OWC Jamie - 02-15-2012
Dennis S wrote:
I remember hearing of a Jewish boy who visited his Baptist friends for a day and when the Baptist mom took him home, she told the Jewish mom her boy "accidentally" got baptized.
As long as the holy water doesn't leave stains you're good.