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Re: Freedom! - davester - 05-07-2013
You're right sam, gun laws won't help stupid people since they are aimed at criminals, not stupidity. However, nobody was commenting on gun laws except you. I believe the OP was aimed primarily at the insane and irresponsible "everybody needs a gun" culture promoted by the arms industry (via the NRA) that has resulted in flooding of the country with weapons, thus increasing everybody's risk of these kinds of consequences. Any dimwit can get a gun...no training, no insurance, no safeguards of any kind are needed.
As for your child question, there are plenty of guns that have an easy enough action that a child can fire them.
Re: Freedom! - Lemon Drop - 05-07-2013
Personally I would like to see some personal responsibility applied to parents who choose to keep guns in their homes while raising kids. That would mean a charge of child endangerment resulting in injury or death for these types of cases, and that would be a felony with a jail sentence.
It's not about piling on people who are already suffering, it's about assigning responsibility to keep children safer.
Re: Freedom! - Mac-A-Matic - 05-07-2013
samintx wrote:
....and the gun law would prevent lack of judgement parents from leaving a gun around?
My question is: How do little kids fire a gun? It takes me two hands to pull the trigger and I don't know how a little kid has the strength to pull a trigger.
That really depends on the weapon and its condition.
Let's take a typical handgun, say the Sig Sauer 226. The 226 can have what is known as double-action, meaning that the hammer (what strikes the firing pin that ignites the propellant in the cartridge and fires the bullet) is down and the pulling of the trigger pulls the hammer back and releases it. This action is much the same way revolvers operate. The double action trigger on a 226 requires roughly 10 lbf to actuate.
The 226 can also be in a cocked condition in which the hammer is pulled back and ready to fire. In this case the required pressure to actuate and fire the gun is significantly less and a child would more easily be able to fire the weapon.
Other weapons, such as the typical 1911 .45 Auto must be actuated from the cocked position and other weapons, such as the Glock series, have an integrated trigger safety that requires 8lbf of pull.
However, without knowing the actual weapon, its condition and potential modifications, it's difficult to tell for sure what the situation was. That said, weapons should never be left "lying around".
Re: Freedom! - Mac-A-Matic - 05-07-2013
Lemon Drop wrote:
Personally I would like to see some personal responsibility applied to parents who choose to keep guns in their homes while raising kids. That would mean a charge of child endangerment resulting in injury or death for these types of cases, and that would be a felony with a jail sentence.
It's not about piling on people who are already suffering, it's about assigning responsibility to keep children safer.
While I don't disagree on the points of greater responsibility and threats of charges and jail term, I do think that a parent whose child has killed themselves, their siblings or another will suffer tremendously regardless of the law.
Re: Freedom! - haikuman - 05-07-2013
Money, status and ignorance continue to define the follies of mankind . . .
Guns are a money driven industry.
"When all the trees have been cut down, when all the animals have been hunted,
when all the waters are polluted, when all the air is unsafe to breathe, only then
will you discover you cannot eat money."
~ Cree Prophecy
Re: Freedom! - cbelt3 - 05-07-2013
Lemon-
Absolutely. I've railed against untrained and stupid gun owners for years. Especially when THREE of my children's friends killed themselves with their parent's unsecure firearms in the course of two years.
:cursin: gun manufacturers should give trigger locks with EVERY gun sold. Period. It's a damn $1 part. And gun stores should give gun safety training with every gun sold. A half hour class with a few plain speaking people to scare the hell out of idiots costs perhaps $1 per participant. $2 per gun. That's all it will take.
Yes. My children are curious about the guns. They have been allowed to handle and shoot them. At a range. Under my direct supervision and training.
Re: Freedom! - Mac-A-Matic - 05-07-2013
haikuman wrote:
Money, status and ignorance continue to define the follies of mankind . . .
Guns are a money driven industry.
Haiku,
Agreed that the arms industry is driven by money. But, what industry isn't driven by money?
Re: Freedom! - haikuman - 05-07-2013
Mac-A-Matic wrote:
[quote=haikuman]
Money, status and ignorance continue to define the follies of mankind . . .
Guns are a money driven industry.
Haiku,
Agreed that the arms industry is driven by money. But, what industry isn't driven by money?
n o t h i n g
grasshopper *(:>*
Re: Freedom! - Mac-A-Matic - 05-07-2013
haikuman wrote:
[quote=Mac-A-Matic]
[quote=haikuman]
Money, status and ignorance continue to define the follies of mankind . . .
Guns are a money driven industry.
Haiku,
Agreed that the arms industry is driven by money. But, what industry isn't driven by money?
n o t h i n g
grasshopper *(:>*
Haha, touche sensei!
Re: Freedom! - Mac1337 - 05-09-2013
got to that part and I knew there was going to be some weapons grade stupid to follow"Lux Interior. gun manufacturers should give trigger locks with EVERY gun sold.