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Re: For your viewing pleasure - $tevie - 05-19-2013
Acer wrote:
I'm not sure sure I'd call the Lewinsky affair a failure for the republicans. The tarnish on Clinton was certainly no help to Gore.
I go back and forth about that. I wonder if Gore had embraced Clinton instead of running away from him, if the public would have liked Gore better. He was already being portrayed as a stiff, and then he was a stiff who abandoned his friend and boss. People still liked Clinton a lot in spite of everything.
I'm not so sure either of these "serious offenses" aren't a sad part of a government-wide attitude which has nothing to do with the President at all. I'd be hard pressed to pretend that DOJ and the IRS were exemplary organizations before Obama came to office.
Re: For your viewing pleasure - $tevie - 05-19-2013
This is like the second time in my life I went to Daily Kos but I assumed, rightfully, that they would not be indulging in bathing in liberal guilt and I was right:
The Only Scandal Regarding the IRS is How EVERY Tea Party Group Obtained 501©(4) Status
I wish I could properly convey how freakin' sick and tired I am listening to both cable news and broadcast news force feed us the Republican line of bullshit du jour. It's either a case of institutionalized duplicitousness, corporate coercion -- or -- pure, unadulterated laziness. I mean, out of the hundreds of so-called 'journalists' out there in mendacious media land, would it have killed one of them to actually read the May 14th draft report by the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration?
Facts matter Dammit! And media reports regarding the IRS 'scandal' are sorely void of them. I'm taking about real facts. Not tea party 'facts'. Not conservative dogmatic 'truthiness'. Not partisan spin. Honest, verifiable facts!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/05/19/1210132/-The-Only-Scandal-Regarding-the-IRS-is-How-EVERY-Tea-Party-Group-Obtained-501-C-4-Status
Re: For your viewing pleasure - Lemon Drop - 05-19-2013
I wonder how Marcos already knows what happened at IRS and can pass judgment on it - he must be clairvoyant or something.
It's not "guilt" to want to know and understand what happened, in my book it's called "facing reality."
Re: For your viewing pleasure - RgrF - 05-20-2013
Ted King wrote:
[quote=Acer]
Caveat: If Obama directed, or deliberately looked the other way from, the IRS scrutiny, then you have something Nixonian--but even then that's not what brought Nixon down. Currently, Obama's pretty well covered by the Reagan defense of ignorance.
Noonan seems to have forgotten the Iran-Contra scandal. A lot of laws were clearly broken - heck, the Constitution itself was directly violated. People in the Reagan administration sold arms to the mullahs in Iran for cripes sake. And yet that just breezes through Noonan's mind (which shows you how full of holes it is) when she's trying to think of the worst scandals since Watergate. Worse, I wouldn't be surprised if she, like a great many other conservatives, considers Oliver North to be a hero for what he did. Blech.
Expecting anything approaching objectivity from a former White House speech writer is a bit much. When discussing Democrats I give her as much credence as I do Lawrence O'Donnell when discussing Republicans.
Re: For your viewing pleasure - decay - 05-20-2013
how Reagan and Ollie North walked away from that cluster-fark is beyond me.
Re: For your viewing pleasure - RgrF - 05-20-2013
If the opposition party were out to win regardless of the cost to the country they wouldn't have walked. They were beneficiaries of having opponents who believed in government/nation before party.