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Re: PSA: ITT Tech OUT of Business - Acer - 09-06-2016
Well, there's meeting the costs of providing a good education--which is a legitimate concern, these things cost money--and then there's ITT Tech.
"ITT Technical Institute charges among the highest tuition fees in the industry. It also has the industry's highest rate of loans that go into default within two years of attendance.[9] In 2014, the tuition for attending an ITT Tech campus ranged from $45,000 to $85,000.[wikipedia]"
Saddling an HVAC student with $100,000 in loans will keep the poor on the plantation, alright.
Re: PSA: ITT Tech OUT of Business - rz - 09-06-2016
Will Collier wrote:
Be curious to see a comparison with more traditional colleges that also fail "to provide adequate job training for students." I very seriously doubt that shortcoming is limited to the ITT's of the world.
I agree. In my senior year of college, we got a grad student from a nearby, fairly well-known university. He had supposedly gotten a Comp Sci degree and was wanting to work on his Masters. His lack of knowledge was appalling. I believe he failed all of his classes in the first semester. By his second semester, he was taking freshman-level courses. I always wondered what happened to him.
I've also dealt with it in the real world. I've worked with people who have degrees and years of "experience" who are pretty much useless.
Re: PSA: ITT Tech OUT of Business - rjmacs - 09-06-2016
Will Collier wrote:
Wow. Surprising.
I'm well aware of ITT's diploma mill reputation, but those schools are a good resource for some people. One of the very best engineers I ever worked with was an ITT grad.
These for-profit vocational schools have become far worse than in the past.....
Re: PSA: ITT Tech OUT of Business - Ombligo - 09-06-2016
And in other areas public community colleges are excellent alternatives for students. In Florida, a community college is half the cost of universities, have smaller classes, and often share faculty with the university. The state's flagship, University of Florida has little interest in undergrads (especially freshman, and sophomores), those students are dumped in classes with hundreds sort others, and taught by disinterested graduate students.
For the first two years, students will generally receive a better education at most of the state's community colleges than at a university.
While there are some community colleges that are not doing as well, most here are quite good. They act as an excellent transition from high school to college (often trying to undue the skills learned in high schools handcuffed by state testing procedures)
But that is just this state, others may be far different.
Re: PSA: ITT Tech OUT of Business - Paul F. - 09-06-2016
And this is exactly the way they SHOULD be... But frequently aren't when we put ivory tower academics in leadership positions over community colleges. They see vocational programs as a threat to their "Everyone must go to a four year school" mandate (that they invented in their own mind).
Ombligo wrote:
And in other areas public community colleges are excellent alternatives for students. In Florida, a community college is half the cost of universities, have smaller classes, and often share faculty with the university. The state's flagship, University of Florida has little interest in undergrads (especially freshman, and sophomores), those students are dumped in classes with hundreds sort others, and taught by disinterested graduate students.
For the first two years, students will generally receive a better education at most of the state's community colleges than at a university.
While there are some community colleges that are not doing as well, most here are quite good. They act as an excellent transition from high school to college (often trying to undue the skills learned in high schools handcuffed by state testing procedures)
But that is just this state, others may be far different.
Re: PSA: ITT Tech OUT of Business - Will Collier - 09-06-2016
Ombligo wrote:
And in other areas public community colleges are excellent alternatives for students. In Florida, a community college is half the cost of universities, have smaller classes, and often share faculty with the university. The state's flagship, University of Florida has little interest in undergrads (especially freshman, and sophomores), those students are dumped in classes with hundreds sort others, and taught by disinterested graduate students.
For the first two years, students will generally receive a better education at most of the state's community colleges than at a university.
While there are some community colleges that are not doing as well, most here are quite good. They act as an excellent transition from high school to college (often trying to undue the skills learned in high schools handcuffed by state testing procedures)
But that is just this state, others may be far different.
Alabama is very similar--or at least it was when I was a student 25-ish years ago. Took first-quarter Calculus the summer after I graduated HS, at the local Jr. College, taught by a full professor.
I'd never had any Calc in high school so I deliberately re-took the first course to make sure I had my feet under me when I got to Auburn that fall. Same course was literally taught by a disinterested grad student.
Re: PSA: ITT Tech OUT of Business - JoeH - 09-06-2016
rjmacs wrote:
[quote=Will Collier]
Wow. Surprising.
I'm well aware of ITT's diploma mill reputation, but those schools are a good resource for some people. One of the very best engineers I ever worked with was an ITT grad.
These for-profit vocational schools have become far worse than in the past.....
Exactly. ITT Tech and some of the other schools may have had a bit of a diploma mill reputation in the past, but had some good instructors and some of their graduates didi come out with decent skills. But with the opening up of even greater access to both federal student loans and private loans, as well as purchase of some schools by venture capitalists looking for much larger profits,, the schools became much more about enrolling as many as possible and less about having some decent instruction available.
As an example, one of my sons was convinced to attend one of the schools that was part of the Arts Institute chain for an animation program. The school had been acquired by AI just a few years before. The program still had a good reputation when he started, but just over the time he was in the school he could see the effect of directives from AI above to make more money resulting in the better instructors being let go and replaced with cheaper adjunct faculty. They also cut the size of the placement staff. In the end he did graduate and eventually landed a decent job, but people who started after him have been having even worse times. Last year AI was pressured about this by the feds, and decided to stop enrolling new students as of May 2015.
Re: PSA: ITT Tech OUT of Business - Ombligo - 09-06-2016
Art schools can definately be an issue. Many are unaccredited and don't offer anything in the way of core academics. They are closer to being trade schools, than colleges. While some are extremely good (Ringling School of the Art, and Savannah College of Art and Design, are two that come to mind), others are nothing more than profit centers (the art institute falls squarely into that definition).
The good ones definitely serve a purpose, but overall the field is sketchy. when I worked in my districts art academy, we tried to guide students to reputable places. Still it was hard as places like the Art Institute has recruiting down to a fine science. They will say whatever a student/parent wants to hear in order to get the signature on the contract.
Re: PSA: ITT Tech OUT of Business - ztirffritz - 09-06-2016
Yakima WA has a fantastic local resource:
https://www.perrytech.edu/
The local community college also has some similar programs.
Re: PSA: ITT Tech OUT of Business - Rick-o - 09-06-2016
If it's the one I'm thinking of, ITT used to have ads on the back of comic books I used to read way back when I was a kid.
I always thought they were a fine, upstanding school with classes that I might want to pursue.
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