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Re: Here's why you don't like Medicare-For-All, why it can't work and so on. - SteveO - 12-03-2019
Classic.
"In an interview, Kelker said it is common for state legislators to publish under their name op-eds that they did not write. “That’s pretty normal,\ she said. \Actually, most of the time, for legislators, at least in Montana, [they wrote: are written by someone else. You know, a helper-person, not necessarily a lobbyist. I normally write all of the text for my op-eds.”
She added: “I suppose I’m fairly naive. … As a legislator, you learn to sort out who is a good guy, and who is not, in terms of the lobbyists, and [MacDonald] has always been really straight. I don’t hang out or do anything with lobbyists much, but I really do trust him.\""]
Oh. I don't know about fairly naive. I'd go a lot further than that.
Re: Here's why you don't like Medicare-For-All, why it can't work and so on. - $tevie - 12-03-2019
Sarcany wrote:Medicaid For All is what they should be pushing. As you said, Medicare doesn't cover everything. How these people think Medicare For All would eliminate private insurance plans is beyond me.
Medicare for all doesn't work on its own because you're still on the hook for at least 20% of your medical bills under Medicare.
You will still need a supplemental insurance plan.
We should have a true single-payer system, but I would settle for “Medicare Extra For All,” so long as bankruptcy-inducing co-pays and "patient responsibility" bills are eliminated.
Re: Here's why you don't like Medicare-For-All, why it can't work and so on. - $tevie - 12-03-2019
Ombligo wrote:
[quote=Sarcany]
Medicare for all doesn't work on its own because you're still on the hook for at least 20% of your medical bills under Medicare.
You will still need a supplemental insurance plan.
We should have a true single-payer system, but I would settle for “Medicare Extra For All,” so long as bankruptcy-inducing co-pays and "patient responsibility" bills are eliminated.
I too would like a single-payer system, but the Medicare model with supplemental works in that it keeps the private insurance sector working. Closing out the private sector totally could cost upwards of 500,000 jobs. This is the other thing I keep asking about (not here but elsewhere). Where will all these employees find news jobs? I get crickets when I ask this.
Re: Here's why you don't like Medicare-For-All, why it can't work and so on. - RgrF - 12-03-2019
It's what capitalists call 'creative destruction'.
Re: Here's why you don't like Medicare-For-All, why it can't work and so on. - Filliam H. Muffman - 12-03-2019
$tevie wrote:
This is the other thing I keep asking about (not here but elsewhere). Where will all these employees find news jobs? I get crickets when I ask this.
99% of the company CEO's and lobbyists, 90% of high level administrators, and 45% of bottom line employees will lose their jobs, the rest will go to work for Medicare.
It's the CEO's getting together and paying hundreds of millions to lobbyists that keeps the current system in place, and is the reason our health care costs are so much higher than the other first world countries.
Countries in green have universal health care.
Re: Here's why you don't like Medicare-For-All, why it can't work and so on. - deckeda - 12-03-2019
Filliam H. Muffman wrote:
99% of the company CEO's and lobbyists, 90% of high level administrators, and 45% of bottom line employees will lose their jobs, the rest will go to work for Medicare.
It's the CEO's getting together and paying hundreds of millions to lobbyists that keeps the current system in place, and is the reason our health care costs are so much higher than the other first world countries.
This. Employees won't go into a black hole. Not having 100% of the answers to, "What happens next? I mean, what exactly happens afterwards?" is not a good reason to not move forward with obviously better ideas.
This is effectively, our "not invented here" syndrome writ large. F.U.D.
Filliam H. Muffman wrote:
Countries in green have universal health care.
Yes, yes, but they're all going to Hell. Haven't you heard how exceptional America is? We're truly special. And better. That map proves it obviously.
Re: Here's why you don't like Medicare-For-All, why it can't work and so on. - rjmacs - 12-03-2019
$tevie wrote:
This is the other thing I keep asking about (not here but elsewhere). Where will all these employees find news jobs? I get crickets when I ask this.
Guv'mint?
Re: Here's why you don't like Medicare-For-All, why it can't work and so on. - Dennis S - 12-03-2019
I like the public option. It's less scary to implement, can morph into Medicare for All and get the bugs out in the meantime, and would help the greedy insurance companies and medical companies stay in line in the meantime.
Re: Here's why you don't like Medicare-For-All, why it can't work and so on. - Anonymous User - 12-03-2019
$tevie wrote:This is the other thing I keep asking about (not here but elsewhere). Where will all these employees find news jobs? I get crickets when I ask this.
[quote=Ombligo]
Closing out the private sector totally could cost upwards of 500,000 jobs.
Buggy whip factories.
Re: Here's why you don't like Medicare-For-All, why it can't work and so on. - Acer - 12-03-2019
I fail to see how government could do it worse than the way health care insurance and billing is done now. Copays, coinsurance, deductibles, family limits, negotiated discounts, denied/allowed procedures, pre-approval requirements, drug formularies, one procedure generating bills from multiple providers and a partridge in a pear tree. THIS is the system we think is a capitalist dream?