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Re: Los Angeles removes police officers from school campus' - Speedy - 02-18-2021
rjmacs wrote:
[quote=Speedy]
[quote=p8712]
During Tuesday's meeting, board members also approved a $36.5 million Black Student Achievement Plan, which will allocate:
$4.4 million for curriculum and instruction, including expanding diverse representation, inclusion of Black authors, and social justice connections;
$2.4 million for teacher professional development;
$2 million for school curriculum grants for schools to supplement their curriculum to make it more inclusive to Black students;
$2 million for community partnership to work with organizations that have demonstrated success with Black students;
$30.1 million for school climate and wellness to reduce over- identification of Black students in suspensions, discipline and other measures through targeted intervention;
$7.9 million for psychiatric social workers;
$7.6 million for counselors;
$2.9 million for school climate coaches;
$6.5 million for restorative justice advisors; and
$5.2 million for flexible climate grants.
That's nice. But who cares if gangs are literally running the school.
They might want to allocate some of that $36.5m for remedial math for the school board.
It's an indentation problem - the lines below $30.1M are a breakout of the total.
$7.9M + $7.6M + $2.9M + $6.5M + $5.2M = $30.1M.
My bad.
Re: Los Angeles removes police officers from school campus' - vision63 - 02-18-2021
We had guys that would beat guys with baseball bats and two weeks later, they were back in school. Why should I have had to share my school with homicidal maniacs?
The only cops we had were two officers we called Starsky and Hutch. They were assigned to my high school and intervened in a lot of nonsense. They weren't enough. We needed more. Here they are taking them away for their feel-good bs.
Bad kids are the squeaky wheel. They're going to get most of the attention. They're going to suck down a school's resources.
Re: Los Angeles removes police officers from school campus' - rjmacs - 02-18-2021
vision63 wrote:
The only cops we had were two officers we called Starsky and Hutch. They were assigned to my high school and intervened in a lot of nonsense. They weren't enough. We needed more. Here they are taking them away for their feel-good bs.
"Feel-good bs" now redefined as including ending the over-policing of Black and Brown kids, interrupting the school-to-prison pipeline, and using social science research to inform how best to help kids in trouble, and protect the overall student population.
I love you, but your ideas on school safety are woefully out of date. "Starsky and Hutch" indeed.
Re: Los Angeles removes police officers from school campus' - Speedy - 02-18-2021
In my lily-white school in the ‘burbs we might have had the cops show up once a year and not usually for any kind of altercation. The assistant principal handled discipline issues, usually with the kid and his parents. He probably had to restrain the parents to protect the kid more than restrain the kid, at least after the initial altercation. I once saw my 6’3” 30 y.o. track coach slap around some 5’6” sophomore for foul-mouthing the coach. Even in ‘68 I thought the coach went a bit overboard with his response.
Re: Los Angeles removes police officers from school campus' - vision63 - 02-18-2021
rjmacs wrote:
[quote=vision63]
The only cops we had were two officers we called Starsky and Hutch. They were assigned to my high school and intervened in a lot of nonsense. They weren't enough. We needed more. Here they are taking them away for their feel-good bs.
"Feel-good bs" now redefined as including ending the over-policing of Black and Brown kids, interrupting the school-to-prison pipeline, and using social science research to inform how best to help kids in trouble, and protect the overall student population.
I love you, but your ideas on school safety are woefully out of date. "Starsky and Hutch" indeed.
Oh God. You don't think they didn't try everything back then up to now? They're not going to do anything that helps anybody. 10 years from now there will still be dysfunction. They're not interested in solving crime. Just being able to foment the right attitude and re-direct money to suit themselves.
You don't think that people are being murdered around me right now every day that isn't on your radar? We're swimming in crime. You think cops are the only thing that bring harm to Black and brown people? Cops are a tiny tiny fraction of that.
Re: Los Angeles removes police officers from school campus' - rjmacs - 02-18-2021
vision63 wrote:
Oh God. You don't think they didn't try everything back then up to now? They're not going to do anything that helps anybody. 10 years from now there will still be dysfunction. They're not interested in solving crime. Just being able to foment the right attitude and re-direct money to suit themselves.
You don't think that people are being murdered around me right now every day that isn't on your radar? We're swimming in crime. You think cops are the only thing that bring harm to Black and brown people? Cops are a tiny tiny fraction of that.
I believe in progress, and so yeah - I'm going to say that they "didn't try everything back then up to now." There have never been adequate mental and physical health services in schools. There have never been real efforts to establish restorative vs. retributive justice systems to help students heal instead of just punishing offenders. There have never been adequately resourced links between the community organizations that support families at risk and in trouble, and the schools where they send their kids.
I can tell you one thing - more cops in schools has resulted in a lot of minority students incarcerated, but it never seems to have controlled the problem of violence or criminal activity in schools. Why is this your solution, when it has never worked before?
I don't think cops are the only thing bringing harm to Black and Brown people, and I don't think that they only bring harm to Black and Brown people. I just think they don't work well for Black and Brown students in schools, because that's what all the evidence suggests.
Re: Los Angeles removes police officers from school campus' - vision63 - 02-18-2021
rjmacs wrote:
[quote=vision63]
Oh God. You don't think they didn't try everything back then up to now? They're not going to do anything that helps anybody. 10 years from now there will still be dysfunction. They're not interested in solving crime. Just being able to foment the right attitude and re-direct money to suit themselves.
You don't think that people are being murdered around me right now every day that isn't on your radar? We're swimming in crime. You think cops are the only thing that bring harm to Black and brown people? Cops are a tiny tiny fraction of that.
I believe in progress, and so yeah - I'm going to say that they "didn't try everything back then up to now." There have never been adequate mental and physical health services in schools. There have never been real efforts to establish restorative vs. retributive justice systems to help students heal instead of just punishing offenders. There have never been adequately resourced links between the community organizations that support families at risk and in trouble, and the schools where they send their kids.
I can tell you one thing - more cops in schools has resulted in a lot of minority students incarcerated, but it never seems to have controlled the problem of violence or criminal activity in schools. Why is this your solution, when it has never worked before?
I don't think cops are the only thing bringing harm to Black and Brown people, and I don't think that they only bring harm to Black and Brown people. I just think they don't work well for Black and Brown students in schools, because that's what all the evidence suggests.
I doesn't work TO YOU!. Some people NEED to be incarcerated. Do you live in the hood?
Re: Los Angeles removes police officers from school campus' - rjmacs - 02-18-2021
vision63 wrote:
I doesn't work TO YOU!. Some people NEED to be incarcerated. Do you live in the hood?
What I meant when I said it doesn't work is that it doesn't end up making schools safe. School violence and crime isn't now, and never has been, a problem you can arrest your way out of. You can try to expel your way out of it, and some schools have. That means that kids who get in trouble early get tossed into the street with nothing to do but get in more trouble. Some think that's fine, if it keeps schools safer. But the reality is, they still live in the neighborhood, and they still cause trouble for the 'good kids' outside the school building.
Do you know of examples where having MORE cops doing MORE police work in schools has made students safe? Where were these programs, and if they worked so well, why were they ended? I've never even heard of this, much less seen it in my community (which is broadly low-income and majority non-White).
I agree that some people need to be separated from school, especially if they demonstrate an inability to abstain from violence. You don't need cops in school everyday for that, any more than you need a cop to stand inside every bodega and 7-11 all day every day to keep customers safe. It's the wrong answer to a real problem.
Re: Los Angeles removes police officers from school campus' - vision63 - 02-18-2021
rjmacs wrote:
[quote=vision63]
I doesn't work TO YOU!. Some people NEED to be incarcerated. Do you live in the hood?
What I meant when I said it doesn't work is that it doesn't end up making schools safe. School violence and crime isn't now, and never has been, a problem you can arrest your way out of. You can try to expel your way out of it, and some schools have. That means that kids who get in trouble early get tossed into the street with nothing to do but get in more trouble. Some think that's fine, if it keeps schools safer. But the reality is, they still live in the neighborhood, and they still cause trouble for the 'good kids' outside the school building.
Do you know of examples where having MORE cops doing MORE police work in schools has made students safe? Where were these programs, and if they worked so well, why were they ended? I've never even heard of this, much less seen it in my community (which is broadly low-income and majority non-White).
I agree that some people need to be separated from school, especially if they demonstrate an inability to abstain from violence. You don't need cops in school everyday for that, any more than you need a cop to stand inside every bodega and 7-11 all day every day to keep customers safe. It's the wrong answer to a real problem.
It made my schools safer. That's a fact. I watched them with my own eyes break up fights and diffuse tense situations. There are some bad people out there that aren't interested in being nice. They do what they do because they don't get punished. There is very little consequence. DA's aren't interested in holding anyone to account. If they do, they get unelected.
It has everything to do with the communities surrounding the schools. If they're dysfunctional, then so will the schools embedded within them.
Re: Los Angeles removes police officers from school campus' - rjmacs - 02-18-2021
Thanks for the discussion. I think we've both made ourselves clear, and there are places we still disagree. But, we agree on a lot more than we don't.
-D