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Re: Gun saves elderly woman - Mr645 - 08-03-2023
Lemon Drop wrote:"Grandma, just let them take your jewelry and rape you, beg them not to beat you too badly, don't fight back, try to relax, the police will be there in 7 or 8 minutes"
[quote=Mr645]
[quote=Lemon Drop]
How is this in any way a "hero" story?
So nobody in this story can shoot well ,apparently.
She was shot at and she didn't deter or injure the criminals, who also got away with her valuables and have not been apprehended.
They are obviously prepared to do battle with an armed homeowner and have no fear of that.
The only positive is that she wasn't killed after she escalated the home invasion to gun violence aimed at herself. This is one example of why you hear that having a gun at home makes you more likely to get shot, not less.
"The men fired back - about 17 to 20 shots - before leaving with valuables, including jewelry.
"We went over afterwards and we saw gunshots all in the walls," Walker said."
They DID take her jewelry and other stuff.
And tried to kill her. And got away, uninjured.
Not seeing how the gun helped here. She was outgunned and putnumbered. They could have killed or assaulted her but chose to leave AFTER robbing her and shooting up her place. Which they did after she fired, not before.
This is more about the risk of living alone without a good security alarm system than about any benefit of everybody having guns.
The point is they didn't kill, beat or rape the woman thanks to her having a gun to protect herself.
When seconds count, police are just minutes away
Re: Gun saves elderly woman - btfc - 08-03-2023
An armed society is a polite society.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-07-26/woman-sheds-clothes-walks-on-a-bay-area-freeway-firing-a-gun-wildly?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=promo_module&utm_campaign=rss_feed
Re: Gun saves elderly woman - pdq - 08-03-2023
Mr645 wrote:
The point is they didn't kill, beat or rape the woman thanks to her having a gun to protect herself.
Well, they tried to kill her by firing back, obviously, but missed.
Seems just as likely (if not moreso) that the alternate outcome had she not lobbed off a shot was that they would have taken the stuff and left. In other words, same outcome, only with far less risk to her life, and less damage to her property.
I think you gunners live in a fantasy world.
Re: Gun saves elderly woman - JoeH - 08-03-2023
pdq wrote:
[quote=Mr645]
The point is they didn't kill, beat or rape the woman thanks to her having a gun to protect herself.
Well, they tried to kill her by firing back, obviously, but missed.
Seems just as likely (if not moreso) that the alternate outcome had she not lobbed off a shot was that they would have taken the stuff and left. In other words, same outcome, only with far less risk to her life, and less damage to her property.
I think you gunners live in a fantasy world.
Or they deliberately missed, but fired just to keep her from getting a good shot off. No pictures of the bullet holes left behind currently available to compare with where she was located.
Lots of assumptions being posted, little fact. The reality is the self defense use of a firearm that can be confirmed as being necessary and appropriate may happen a few time a week across the entire country. Gunners latch onto every use whether necessary or not and use them as examples to support their case. But the exception does not make the rule.
Re: Gun saves elderly woman - Mr645 - 08-03-2023
pdq wrote:
[quote=Mr645]
The point is they didn't kill, beat or rape the woman thanks to her having a gun to protect herself.
Well, they tried to kill her by firing back, obviously, but missed.
Seems just as likely (if not moreso) that the alternate outcome had she not lobbed off a shot was that they would have taken the stuff and left. In other words, same outcome, only with far less risk to her life, and less damage to her property.
I think you gunners live in a fantasy world.
Interesting how you have such details about the intent of the armed criminals. We could use Chicago as an experiment, if only criminals have guns, they won't have any motivation to use them against unarmed people. Could have prevented 1833 shootings in just one city.
Or
22-year-old Elisjsha Dicken was shopping with his girlfriend at the Greenwood Park Mall in Greenwood, Ind. when a gunman armed with a rifle opened fire in the food court. Upon witnessing the heinous crime, Dicken acted. The young man drew the Glock handgun he was concealed carrying and engaged the shooter as he gestured for others to flee.
According to reports, Dicken initially confronted the shooter at a distance of 30-40 yards. Demonstrating significant marksmanship under pressure, the armed citizen neutralized the threat in just 15 seconds - landing 8 of 10 shots on the evildoer.
volunteer security worker, Jeanne Assam, saved the day at New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado. Thousands of people were exiting from Sunday mass that day as the shooter opened fire. However, Assam ran toward the line of fire, killing the shooter and saving countless lives.
All those mass shooting you don't hear about because they don't happen. That's why police carry guns, because bad guys carry guns
Re: Gun saves elderly woman - Acer - 08-03-2023
Hooray for the hero, but wouldn't it be better if the shooters never shot?
Where did the perps in the OP get their weapons? Where did the Indiana gunman get the rifle? Where did the New Life Church shooter get the gun? Were they gotten legally? Were the laws on the books enforced?
Re: Gun saves elderly woman - JoeH - 08-03-2023
Mr645 wrote:
22-year-old Elisjsha Dicken was shopping with his girlfriend at the Greenwood Park Mall in Greenwood, Ind. when a gunman armed with a rifle opened fire in the food court. Upon witnessing the heinous crime, Dicken acted. The young man drew the Glock handgun he was concealed carrying and engaged the shooter as he gestured for others to flee.
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All those mass shooting you don't hear about because they don't happen.
Well, deconstructing this first example of one of the few exceptions where a gun has been used for self defense a year ago. First it still was a mass shooting. 3 people died, 2 others were injured in the shooting. In this case the person who responded actually was a good shot, and managed to keep his cool. But it could have been someone else and more injuries could have occurred from the return fire.
Re: Gun saves elderly woman - pdq - 08-03-2023
Actually, it appears that a police officer ended the mass shooting in Colorado Springs:
The Lakewood police officer who was hailed as a hero for stopping a fatal rampage last week was released from the hospital on Thursday.
After she was wounded and while down, Ferris returned fire, hitting the gunman and ending the rampage.
Interesting how you ignore such details. Or were you talking about this one?
On Dec. 9, 2007, Assam was on high alert after a gunman shot and killed two people at a Christian missionary in Arvada the night before. Assam, then a licensed police officer, was asked to volunteer at security that morning at New Life Church.
Two mass shootings in Colorado Springs, both ended by police officers. Interesting how you give such little credit to police officers, who are actually trained for such situations.
Re: Gun saves elderly woman - Mr645 - 08-03-2023
JoeH wrote:
[quote=Mr645]
22-year-old Elisjsha Dicken was shopping with his girlfriend at the Greenwood Park Mall in Greenwood, Ind. when a gunman armed with a rifle opened fire in the food court. Upon witnessing the heinous crime, Dicken acted. The young man drew the Glock handgun he was concealed carrying and engaged the shooter as he gestured for others to flee.
...
All those mass shooting you don't hear about because they don't happen.
Well, deconstructing this first example of one of the few exceptions where a gun has been used for self defense a year ago. First it still was a mass shooting. 3 people died, 2 others were injured in the shooting. In this case the person who responded actually was a good shot, and managed to keep his cool. But it could have been someone else and more injuries could have occurred from the return fire.
Or the killer could have marched through the mall, killing dozens of people before police organized and ended it. We will never know how many lives were saved that day or every other day thanks to legal, trained gun owners
Re: Gun saves elderly woman - Mr645 - 08-03-2023
Acer wrote:
Hooray for the hero, but wouldn't it be better if the shooters never shot?
Where did the perps in the OP get their weapons? Where did the Indiana gunman get the rifle? Where did the New Life Church shooter get the gun? Were they gotten legally? Were the laws on the books enforced?
Gun laws are often not enforced. Chicago is a perfect example where many shooters are out of jail after getting caught with a stolen gun, or even using a stolen gun, and shoot someone with a different stolen gun. Hunter Biden is a perfect example, lied on his background check to get a gun, then lost it, hmm. Let's make an example of him?
Defensive use of firearms happens many times every day, removing guns from legal gun owners won't stop criminals. How about minimum jail time for using a gun in a violent crime?