pdq wrote:
Oh please.

Our economy is currently the best in the developed world - empirically, not just my opinion. Stock markets reflect this (plus some irrationality, honestly) but in any case, setting new records nearly every week and doing waaaay better than the last guy did.

We just had unemployment’s longest run of sub-4% since the 50’s.

Inflation (which was, for the hundredth time, a world-wide post-pandemic phenomenon) has come down as fast or faster than other countries. Mortgages are still high, but that’s largely due to a recalcitrant Fed. And workers pay has exceeded inflation, especially on the low end, so that for the first time in a generation the income gap may be narrowing.

Deficits, while of concern, have been halved since Trump’s last year.

We are actually on a course - not just promising to release a secret plan in two weeks - to tackle aging infrastructure, and are pursuing it.

Crime is down nationally and dropping “precipitously”.

Immigration has soared (not surprisingly, since people from all over want to live here for the reasons above), but Biden presented a plan for immigration reform his first day in office, and the Senate finally hammered out a bipartisan (plus Independents) compromise along those lines. But Trump decreed that that problem must not be solved, so he can yammer about it, and the GOP capitulated and threw the conservative Senator James Lankford (who negotiated it) under the bus.

We are in no foreign wars, but have supported and enabled a much smaller country to resist Putin’s aggression for years now.

Now, a third of the country has drunk the Trump Kool-aid and (and least pretends) they believe the country is in horrible shape. (Hey, are you gonna believe me, your great leader and stable genius, or your own lyin eyes?)

And Biden is old.

If I recall correctly, four years ago you said you hated Hillary Clinton and everything she stood for. Trump won and appointed three more young compliant conservative culture warriors to the SCOTUS that have since upended women’s lives, among other things. Don’t like Biden? Vote for whoever you want.

But don’t give us this crap about how stupid the Democratic party is. When given the presidency, they’ve accomplished all of the above, despite the best efforts of the other side and their allies in the Faux News universe. And that should be worth the vote of anyone who hasn’t closed their mind.

Okay?

Rant over.

pdq wrote:
Oh please.

Our economy is currently the best in the developed world - empirically, not just my opinion. Stock markets reflect this (plus some irrationality, honestly) but in any case, setting new records nearly every week and doing waaaay better than the last guy did.

We just had unemployment’s longest run of sub-4% since the 50’s.

Inflation (which was, for the hundredth time, a world-wide post-pandemic phenomenon) has come down as fast or faster than other countries. Mortgages are still high, but that’s largely due to a recalcitrant Fed. And workers pay has exceeded inflation, especially on the low end, so that for the first time in a generation the income gap may be narrowing.

Deficits, while of concern, have been halved since Trump’s last year.

We are actually on a course - not just promising to release a secret plan in two weeks - to tackle aging infrastructure, and are pursuing it.

Crime is down nationally and dropping “precipitously”.

Immigration has soared (not surprisingly, since people from all over want to live here for the reasons above), but Biden presented a plan for immigration reform his first day in office, and the Senate finally hammered out a bipartisan (plus Independents) compromise along those lines. But Trump decreed that that problem must not be solved, so he can yammer about it, and the GOP capitulated and threw the conservative Senator James Lankford (who negotiated it) under the bus.

We are in no foreign wars, but have supported and enabled a much smaller country to resist Putin’s aggression for years now.

Now, a third of the country has drunk the Trump Kool-aid and (and least pretends) they believe the country is in horrible shape. (Hey, are you gonna believe me, your great leader and stable genius, or your own lyin eyes?)

And Biden is old.

If I recall correctly, four years ago you said you hated Hillary Clinton and everything she stood for. Trump won and appointed three more young compliant conservative culture warriors to the SCOTUS that have since upended women’s lives, among other things. Don’t like Biden? Vote for whoever you want.

But don’t give us this crap about how stupid the Democratic party is. When given the presidency, they’ve accomplished all of the above, despite the best efforts of the other side and their allies in the Faux News universe. And that should be worth the vote of anyone who hasn’t closed their mind.

Okay?

Rant over.

dk62 wrote:
[quote=pdq]
Oh please.

Our economy is currently the best in the developed world - empirically, not just my opinion. Stock markets reflect this (plus some irrationality, honestly) but in any case, setting new records nearly every week and doing waaaay better than the last guy did.

We just had unemployment’s longest run of sub-4% since the 50’s.

Inflation (which was, for the hundredth time, a world-wide post-pandemic phenomenon) has come down as fast or faster than other countries. Mortgages are still high, but that’s largely due to a recalcitrant Fed. And workers pay has exceeded inflation, especially on the low end, so that for the first time in a generation the income gap may be narrowing.

Deficits, while of concern, have been halved since Trump’s last year.

We are actually on a course - not just promising to release a secret plan in two weeks - to tackle aging infrastructure, and are pursuing it.

Crime is down nationally and dropping “precipitously”.

Immigration has soared (not surprisingly, since people from all over want to live here for the reasons above), but Biden presented a plan for immigration reform his first day in office, and the Senate finally hammered out a bipartisan (plus Independents) compromise along those lines. But Trump decreed that that problem must not be solved, so he can yammer about it, and the GOP capitulated and threw the conservative Senator James Lankford (who negotiated it) under the bus.

We are in no foreign wars, but have supported and enabled a much smaller country to resist Putin’s aggression for years now.

Now, a third of the country has drunk the Trump Kool-aid and (and least pretends) they believe the country is in horrible shape. (Hey, are you gonna believe me, your great leader and stable genius, or your own lyin eyes?)

And Biden is old.

If I recall correctly, four years ago you said you hated Hillary Clinton and everything she stood for. Trump won and appointed three more young compliant conservative culture warriors to the SCOTUS that have since upended women’s lives, among other things. Don’t like Biden? Vote for whoever you want.

But don’t give us this crap about how stupid the Democratic party is. When given the presidency, they’ve accomplished all of the above, despite the best efforts of the other side and their allies in the Faux News universe. And that should be worth the vote of anyone who hasn’t closed their mind.

Okay?

Rant over.

vision63 wrote:
{snip to eliminate the stuff I agree with -good points there, but it's boring to just say "I agree! I agree!")
There's a larger portion of the left that just want to be contrarians. I think it's the Dunning-Kruger Effect? You know enough about something to think that you're right, but not enough about it to know that you're wrong. I think I'm getting that right.

The right and the left have been fighting a battle of how to stick it to one another. Both sides have become mobs with no hopes of consensus.

The right are just monsters with zero concerns.
The left are just monsters with zero concerns.

Right now, the left is Mike Tyson on auto-pilot. We don't want the right to be Buster Douglas whose mama just died.

anonymouse1 wrote:
My take, which I really want to write up as an article, but I don't have time.

1. The Republicans have become the party of resentment; they primarily try to whip up resentment, and have few or no policies to put forward that will really benefit peoples' lives.

2. The Democrats suck at messaging and counterattacking. They just let the Republicans spew lies and misleading statements without any effective response. They're bring logical knives (or even spoons) to an emotional gunfight.

3. There is a pretty small number of radicals on the left. There are a large number of radicals on the right. Show me who on the left has the reach and is as radical as Murdoch, Speaker Mike Johnson, Charlie Kirk, Ben Shapiro, the Heritage Foundation? They aren't there.

4. The media has become center right, where it used to be centrist.

That's all I've got time for on this

vision63 wrote:
The right are just monsters with zero concerns.
The left are just monsters with zero concerns.

mattkime wrote:
[quote=vision63]
The right are just monsters with zero concerns.
The left are just monsters with zero concerns.

Ted King wrote:
[quote=kj]
https://www.economist.com/united-states/2024/06/12/five-months-out-donald-trump-has-a-clear-lead

Good Lord, why is your party so dumb. Actually, it could be that Democrats are so creative in their thinking that they convince themselves what they are doing makes sense. Intelligent stupidity. If Trump wins, I've had it. A party this stupid doesn't deserve to win.