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Re: President “meandering”, “doesn’t know what he’s talking about” - rgG - 06-16-2024
Lemon Drop wrote:
One is far more functional than the other.
That will be apparent come debate night.
I still think it’s just crazy that these are the two people we have had for the last two elections.
I agree that Joe is a thousand times better than T, but it’s a low bar to be a thousand times better than T.
Re: President “meandering”, “doesn’t know what he’s talking about” - RgrF - 06-16-2024
Joe is only there because he was the one candidate who could stop Trump from taking a second term. He did that and should have been allowed to fade into the sunset but his party failed to put up a worthy successor.
Re: President “meandering”, “doesn’t know what he’s talking about” - AllGold - 06-16-2024
RgrF wrote:
Joe is only there because he was the one candidate who could stop Trump from taking a second term. He did that and should have been allowed to fade into the sunset but his party failed to put up a worthy successor.
I think it's less about a worthy successor. It's the same problem for 2024 that we had for 2020. Biden has said if Trump weren't running, he probably wouldn't either.
Re: President “meandering”, “doesn’t know what he’s talking about” - wurm - 06-16-2024
Those last five comments pretty much state exactly how I feel. I'll still cast my vote for Joe, but I'd prefer a twenty year younger Joe.
Re: President “meandering”, “doesn’t know what he’s talking about” - mrbigstuff - 06-17-2024
$tevie wrote:
[quote=pdq]
Some folks are paying attention to the dotard:
Trump appears to freeze for 30 seconds on stage during NRA speech
That wasn't a freeze. That was his teleprompters going out. You can see him shake his head in disgust.
What is significant about this is that without the teleprompter, he is at a loss for words. 2016 Trump, and probably 2020 Trump, would have spoken off the cuff and ranted about all sorts of stuff, including that the teleprompters weren't working, and filled the time with a nice round of Lock Her Up. Instead, he stands waiting for them to come back online.
Actually, this has happened to him a couple of times. I am wondering if someone involved in Trump's event staging has it in for him. :-) And the last time Trump said he wasn't going to pay them, so this could become a regular thing.
Yeah, I think that first paragraph is spot on. Although I am inclined to say that his handlers have probably got to him enough on his extemporaneous meanderings that he has quit turning that good ol' dipshitt charm on.
Re: President “meandering”, “doesn’t know what he’s talking about” - GGD - 06-17-2024
$tevie wrote:
Actually, this has happened to him a couple of times. I am wondering if someone involved in Trump's event staging has it in for him. :-) And the last time Trump said he wasn't going to pay them, so this could become a regular thing.
Maybe he hasn't been paying them, and that's why these "problems" started to occur.
Re: President “meandering”, “doesn’t know what he’s talking about” - sekker - 06-17-2024
wurm wrote:
Those last five comments pretty much state exactly how I feel. I'll still cast my vote for Joe, but I'd prefer a twenty year younger Joe.
I concur 100% with this thread subthread.
But who? VP Harris has had 4 years to show her mettle, and she has tried. I do not think she would raise the enthusiasm for Dems, and being a non-white AND female alienates some 'Mericans.
Re: President “meandering”, “doesn’t know what he’s talking about” - pdq - 06-17-2024
Dunno why people are so down on Harris, other than possibly she’s too nice (and too female).
VP’s are just not afforded the opportunity to do much. Cheney was perhaps the most active (or in the news) in my recollection, and that didn’t work out so well (“We believe Iraq has reconstituted nuclear weapons”). Agnew was an attack dog; that didn’t end well either.
As John Nance Garner (one of FDR’s VPs) famously said, being VP was “not worth a bucket of warm
Re: President “meandering”, “doesn’t know what he’s talking about” - pdq - 06-17-2024
BTW, the Trumpies (led by social media, their accomplices, and Murdoch’s NY Post) are doing their best with what they’re now calling “cheapfakes” (deceptively edited plain old videos).
Fortunately, Biden’s folks are pushing back with reality, and given that Trump genuinely says and does so many weird/demented things not requiring deceptive editing, they’re probably like You sure you wanna go there?
Re: President “meandering”, “doesn’t know what he’s talking about” - gabester - 06-17-2024
It's not just about the candidate for the office; while they make many of the decisions when there is a call to be made (or fail to act as seems to so often have been the case for convicted felon Donald Trump) - the team that each Presidential candidate surrounds themselves with while running and especially once in office is so critically important.
With convicted felon Donald Trump we saw fellow grifters, sycophants, yes men who would not act unless micromanaged to do so.
With President Joe Biden we have a capable assortment of skilled politicians and bureaucrats who are to the best of their abilities capably executing the authority of their respective offices.
Take away the President and, in one case, you have a ship of state with literally no direction; and in the other case, where the lack of functioning presidential officer might go unnoticed by the nation for some time.