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Re: Seagate HD Settlement. Legit or scam?? - ho'ard - 10-23-2007
I find it hard to fhave any strong feelings about this.
A 40 gallon aquarium only holds 35 at the most once you get the rocks and plants and gravel and driftwood in there . . . an aquarist just knows that. I don't recall any class-action suits against All-Glass or Perfecto.
So, the formatting eats some of the capacity, right? Or is there something else here I'm not understanding?
Re: Seagate HD Settlement. Legit or scam?? - M A V I C - 10-23-2007
[quote h']So, the formatting eats some of the capacity, right? Or is there something else here I'm not understanding?
Yes, you're missing that companies such as Seagate say their drives are, for example "250 GB" but put in fine print that "GB = 1,000,000,000 bytes" when really a GB is 1,099,511,627,776 bytes.
Think if your bank counted dollars as 93¢. So when you deposited $10,000, only $9300 made it into the account.
Re: Seagate HD Settlement. Legit or scam?? - ho'ard - 10-23-2007
Oh, thanks.
Re: Seagate HD Settlement. Legit or scam?? - RAMd®d - 10-23-2007
The formatting costs MBs, the marketing math costs GBs.
A 120G HD gives us about 112G usable space; 200G is about 186G, 400 is 372G; 500G is 465G; 1TB is 935G or so.
It just bugs me to "lose" that much space solely because 120G/200G/400G/500G/1TB looks better in giant letters, on the box.
Re: Seagate HD Settlement. Legit or scam?? - Lux Interior - 10-23-2007
[quote h']
A 40 gallon aquarium only holds 35 at the most once you get the rocks and plants and gravel and driftwood in there . . . an aquarist just knows that.
A gallon is just a measure of volume (equal to 0.1337 cubic feet). The aquarium still holds 40 gallons. Just not 40 gallons of water.
Sorry. Part of being an engineer involves a certain amount anal-retentiveness.
Re: Seagate HD Settlement. Legit or scam?? - sekker - 10-23-2007
I find the techie views on this amusing. 'kilo', 'giga', 'mega' have very defined scientific definitions of 1000, 1,000,000,000 and 1,000,000. They do not mean '1024' or '1024 x 1024x1024', etc.
The only industry where they have redefined these prefixes is the computer industry. This is the reason I cannot blame Seagate - '1000' is not really '1024', no matter what your operating system says. A kilogram is not 1024 grams, it is 1000 grams.
If this distinction is stated on the packaging of the product you buy, I see no reason for a lawsuit.
If I purchased a '1 quart' container, and it says it is a quart and not a liter, why should we allow a suit when the packaging says it is 0.9 liters?
We have a country where we live with these lawyer parasites - winning this suit will not give the customer any better product, or even older customers any windfall. But lawyers on both sides will be paid very well, and our court system will spend time debating this issue when they should be dealing with real problems.
Re: Seagate HD Settlement. Legit or scam?? - GGD - 10-23-2007
[quote sekker]I find the techie views on this amusing. 'kilo', 'giga', 'mega' have very defined scientific definitions of 1000, 1,000,000,000 and 1,000,000. They do not mean '1024' or '1024 x 1024x1024', etc.
That's right, next they'll go after the CPU and computer manufacturers because a 2GHz processor is only running 2,000,000,000 clocks per second instead of 2,147,483,548 clocks per second.
Re: Seagate HD Settlement. Legit or scam?? - M A V I C - 10-23-2007
[quote sekker]I find the techie views on this amusing. 'kilo', 'giga', 'mega' have very defined scientific definitions of 1000, 1,000,000,000 and 1,000,000. They do not mean '1024' or '1024 x 1024x1024', etc.
In the tech industry, they do. That's why the "techie views" are different than yours, and thus correct.
The only industry where they have redefined these prefixes is the computer industry. This is the reason I cannot blame Seagate - '1000' is not really '1024', no matter what your operating system says.
Hard drives are part of the computer industry, so of course they should stick with the measure that industry uses.
A kilogram is not 1024 grams, it is 1000 grams.
Kilograms are a different thing altogether. Kilograms have nothing to do with binary.
It's no coincidence that the "techie views" are correct when talking about the tech industry.
Re: Seagate HD Settlement. Legit or scam?? - GGD - 10-23-2007
[quote M A V I C]Hard drives are part of the computer industry, so of course they should stick with the measure that industry uses
These are also part of the computer industry....
1GHz processor speed is 1,000,000,000 clocks per second
Gigabit Ethernet is 1,000,000,000 bits per second
54 Megabit WIFI is 54,000,000 bits per second
Re: Seagate HD Settlement. Legit or scam?? - M A V I C - 10-23-2007
[quote GGD][quote M A V I C]Hard drives are part of the computer industry, so of course they should stick with the measure that industry uses
These are also part of the computer industry....
1GHz processor speed is 1,000,000,000 clocks per second
Gigabit Ethernet is 1,000,000,000 bits per second
54 Megabit WIFI is 54,000,000 bits per second
None of those are limited to binary constrictions. Storage capacity pretty much is, and the bit from me you quoted was in reference to Seagate being part of the computer industry so the quote is out of context as well.