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Re: Do you consider a college education a RIGHT? - vision63 - 06-08-2008
Well I guess everybody has a right to go if you qualify.
Re: Do you consider a college education a RIGHT? - Black Landlord - 06-08-2008
[quote vision63]Well I guess everybody has a right to go if you qualify.
That sounds like the eastern block, where they lined the kids up and physically examined them for aptitudes. "You will play the violin." "You will go to university". "You will work in the mines". . .
Re: Do you consider a college education a RIGHT? - vision63 - 06-08-2008
[quote Black Landlord][quote vision63]Well I guess everybody has a right to go if you qualify.
That sounds like the eastern block, where they lined the kids up and physically examined them for aptitudes. "You will play the violin." "You will go to university". "You will work in the mines". . .
I will build pallets.
Re: Do you consider a college education a RIGHT? - Grateful11 - 06-08-2008
Absolutely not! My two sons worked hard in High School and earned their way into college
by not slacking off. My oldest is on a full tuition scholarship to Pfeiffer Univ. My youngest
will graduate from High School this week with a Presidential scholarship to Pfeiffer Univ.
You get out of High School what you put into it. I wish I were rich enough to help put some
deserving students through college.
Re: Do you consider a college education a RIGHT? - SDGuy - 06-09-2008
What do you mean by a "RIGHT".
If you mean that everyone in this country, regardless of actual ability, should be admitted to college - then NO. If that were to ever happen, we'd quickly see the watering down of the curriculums. You can probably already see that to some degree when you compare community colleges to state colleges to state universities.
If you mean that everyone in this country who qualifies to go to college should receive it for free, then NO. There are many ways to make a living out there which doesn't require a higher education.
If you mean that everyone in this country who qualifies to go to college should be able to receive student loans, then yes - I believe in that. I think this country should do what it can to help its best & brightest, but not give away money.
edit - fixed a grammatical error. Looks like I could use some higher education...
Re: Do you consider a college education a RIGHT? - vision63 - 06-09-2008
People are speaking as if everyone in this country has the means to pay for college. Some people are poor. Or is everyone in this country of adequate means? Or is everyone that lack the means just stupidly unable keep up with society, therefore, why should anyone sympathize with them? Wonder how much some people's kids would have power studied themselves to scholastic greatness if mom and dad had smoked crack cocaine? And if mom and day smoked crack cocaine, why should I an innocent child be ruled ineligible for any kind of support and sympathy? Particularly if I succeeded in school despite them? Since said college aspiring child is effectively destitute, they should now saddle themselves with loans? Nobody wants to share?
Re: Do you consider a college education a RIGHT? - Black Landlord - 06-09-2008
Well, I'll certainly admit I waaay haven't been keeping up on this subject, but aren't there still need-based grants for undergraduates, and scholarships available?
[quote vision63]People are speaking as if everyone in this country has the means to pay for college. Some people are poor. Or is everyone in this country of adequate means? Or is everyone that lack the means just stupidly unable keep up with society, therefore, why should anyone sympathize with them? Wonder how much some people's kids would have power studied themselves to scholastic greatness if mom and dad had smoked crack cocaine? And if mom and day smoked crack cocaine, why should I an innocent child be ruled ineligible for any kind of support and sympathy? Particularly if I succeeded in school despite them? Since said college aspiring child is effectively destitute, they should now saddle themselves with loans? Nobody wants to share?
Re: Do you consider a college education a RIGHT? - vision63 - 06-09-2008
[quote Black Landlord]Well, I'll certainly admit I waaay haven't been keeping up on this subject, but aren't there still need-based grants for undergraduates, and scholarships available?
[quote vision63]People are speaking as if everyone in this country has the means to pay for college. Some people are poor. Or is everyone in this country of adequate means? Or is everyone that lack the means just stupidly unable keep up with society, therefore, why should anyone sympathize with them? Wonder how much some people's kids would have power studied themselves to scholastic greatness if mom and dad had smoked crack cocaine? And if mom and day smoked crack cocaine, why should I an innocent child be ruled ineligible for any kind of support and sympathy? Particularly if I succeeded in school despite them? Since said college aspiring child is effectively destitute, they should now saddle themselves with loans? Nobody wants to share?
Indeed. But the pot is getting smaller and smaller while the tuitions and fees get larger and larger.
Stanford (of all places) has taken to covering the costs for many of it's students after being embarrassed by their tremendously large endowment. The even discovered kids living in their cars.
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/20/MNABV5LHM.DTL&tsp=1
Stanford drops tuition for some students
Steve Rubenstein, Chronicle Staff Writer
Wednesday, February 20, 2008
(02-19) 23:49 PST Palo Alto -- In a radical change to its financial aid program, Stanford University will announce today that it will no longer charge tuition to students whose families earn less than $100,000 a year.
In addition, the university will waive room and board fees for students whose families earn less than $60,000 a year.
University President John Hennessy will make the announcement today on campus, university Provost John Etchemendy confirmed late Tuesday.
The university is making the change in the wake of published reports last month that its endowment had grown almost 22 percent last year, to $17.1 billion. That sum had begun to attract attention from lawmakers who want wealthy institutions to do more to reduce tuition costs.
Re: Do you consider a college education a RIGHT? - JoeH - 06-09-2008
Yes, the pot has grown smaller for needs based aid. Especially at the federal level it has not kept up with inflation. Where I work, the pool of for instance college work study money has been close to level the last 10 years. Students who have been given that as part of their financial aid package have received a flat $1,800 a year since early in this decade. No additional work study money is available to most students, some years not available to any.
At the same time, many states have cut budgets for aid or left them flat, and also let the cost of their state schools climb quite a bit over the last decade or so. As an example, the state university I work at. Ten years ago, an in-state student would need about $10,000 a year to cover tuition, fees and room and board. Now the total is about $20,000 a year
Re: Do you consider a college education a RIGHT? - samintx - 06-09-2008
The Junion College here in my town is advertizing for people to apply for scholarships. They don't give them all away and want people to apply.