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Re: Has anyone else been seeing a lot of "I am XYZ, and I am a Mormon" commercials? - Grace62 - 10-22-2011
Black wrote:
Interesting. The Mormon missionaries I've experienced are stationed in a working class, gang-dominated neighborhood that most forum members wouldn't be caught dead in. They speak only Spanish with each-other . . . live in not-so-great accommodations within the community, and have a very meager budget from which they're expected to take care of all of their material needs (that's part of the experience.)
I'm all for community service, but it should be inspired, not required. Not a big fan of proselytizing, regardless of the neighborhood.
How do you know what neighborhoods people would be "caught dead in?"
Black wrote:What does Apple have to do with this?
Last I checked, Apple didn't put store managers in charge of building design ;-)
Re: Has anyone else been seeing a lot of "I am XYZ, and I am a Mormon" commercials? - cbelt3 - 10-22-2011
Yeah, they're all about mission... recruitment. Not about Mitt.
I find a lot of parallels between Mitt and JFK... people would chatter about how "He would have to obey the pope" as President, etc, being the first Catholic president. No.. I don't remember that. I was too little, but my parents explained it to me later, and I've talked to people who were in politics at the time.
The same lack o facts were applied to Catholicism. Remember.."Papists" ? Not to mention my 'damn Irish immigrant' ancestors ?
Lots of Mormons where I am.. the area is the site of the first temple in Ohio, and was on the migration path towards Utah.
Yes, they are involved in Scouting. Positively. However, there are more Catholics in the area, so they're outnumbered. No, they don't forbid Sunday activity. Grace, I understand you've had issues. I'll diffidently point out that the NATIONAL council could and should have responded to any complaints about religious persecution in Scouting brought forward to them. Did you ? Scouting treats religions as inclusive, not exclusionary.
Re: Has anyone else been seeing a lot of "I am XYZ, and I am a Mormon" commercials? - Filliam H. Muffman - 10-22-2011
I have known a few dozen and one college roommate was an older Jack Mormon. My biggest problem with the church, besides Prop. 8, is that they tend to have very low respect for women.
Re: Has anyone else been seeing a lot of "I am XYZ, and I am a Mormon" commercials? - RgrF - 10-22-2011
I was actually there at the Kennedy-Catholic debate. Well I wasn't present but I was alive sentient and didn't need anyone to later explain it to me. In fact my paternal grandmother (an otherwise great person) felt free to hate Catholics, Negros, Jews and about anyone else who didn't resemble her -- a Canadian by birth.
She could never get herself to vote for a Catholic and didn't during that election. We had some great debates, that I was 16 didn't interrupt the flow of the bigoted debate.
Some years later I was to present myself as a candidate for state office as a Democrat, she broke ranks and voted for me. First and last time in her life she didn't vote Republican. To my good fortune I lost that race else I might be one of those being marched against today.
Re: Has anyone else been seeing a lot of "I am XYZ, and I am a Mormon" commercials? - swampy - 10-22-2011
The mainstream never questioned Obama's religious affiliation so I don't understand the furor over Romney's religious beliefs.
Re: Has anyone else been seeing a lot of "I am XYZ, and I am a Mormon" commercials? - Grace62 - 10-22-2011
swampy wrote:
The mainstream never questioned Obama's religious affiliation so I don't understand the furor over Romney's religious beliefs.
Was your TV, internet, radio and newspaper access completely cut off in 2008?
Re: Has anyone else been seeing a lot of "I am XYZ, and I am a Mormon" commercials? - lafinfil - 10-22-2011
The questioning of Romney is coming firmly from the far right side and that pot is stirred by Perry and his ilk.
Most of us really don't care what Mitts religion is and personally I'm suspicious of the ones like Perry, Bachman etc..
that feel a need to pander to the fundies. At least Mitt doesn't do that (but maybe he would if he could)
Re: Has anyone else been seeing a lot of "I am XYZ, and I am a Mormon" commercials? - RgrF - 10-22-2011
Grace62 wrote:
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The mainstream never questioned Obama's religious affiliation so I don't understand the furor over Romney's religious beliefs.
Was your TV, internet, radio and newspaper access completely cut off in 2008?
Swampy sees and hears what Swampy wants to see and hear, been that way for a long time. Imagine being taught by her?
Re: Has anyone else been seeing a lot of "I am XYZ, and I am a Mormon" commercials? - Jimmypoo - 10-22-2011
"Muammer Qaddafi, the dictator of Libya, declared that 'we'd be content and happy if Obama can stay president forever.' Such lavish praise...tells you much of what [Obama's] approach to foreign policy is and the audience to which he is playing."
— Mitt Romney, in his 2010 book No Apology
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Is he named after a particular mitt? Catcher's mitt? Wilson A2000? Just wondering...
Re: Has anyone else been seeing a lot of "I am XYZ, and I am a Mormon" commercials? - rjmacs - 10-22-2011
Grace62 wrote:
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[quote=Grace62]
Apparently they did a nationwide survey about attitudes towards Mormons and the LDS church and found out that a lot of Americans are both lacking information (i.e. thinking Mormons aren't Christians) and hold negative opinions towards Mormons.
Well, whether Mormons are Christians is a matter of debate because of disagreement over the definition of 'Christian.' Mormons are not trinitarians (then again, neither are Unitarians); they do not espouse salvation through the person of Jesus Christ per se; they do not recognize God the Father as the creator of the universe and of man (and men's souls). I'm not taking a position one way or the other on this, but whether Mormons are Christians isn't merely a matter of ignorance, it's also a matter of some debate.
It's not really a matter of debate if you're Mormon, and that's the point they are trying to make.
Here's what Mormons believe about Jesus:
http://mormon.org/faq/belief-in-jesus-christ?gclid=CKSNi9rL_KsCFUgZQgodKUzymQ
Except i don't think that the controversy about whether Mormons are Christians is about what Mormons believe on the subject, so i don't see how providing more information resolves the issue. I mean, it lets people know that Mormons consider themselves Christians, but it's hardly convincing - for example - to evangelicals and fundamentalists. Their theology is fundamentally divergent and different from mainstream Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant Christianity.