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Re: El Cap on a 2007 iMac - N-OS X-tasy! - 09-14-2015
GGD wrote:
[quote=N-OS X-tasy!]
The more frequently I hear stuff like this, the more convinced I become that, were Jobs to rise from the grave today, he would sack anyone at Apple who had anything to do with unleashing Yosemite upon an unsuspecting world.
Just remember that he was the one that unleashed Lion on the world.
OS X 10.7 (Lion) release date: July 20, 2011
Date of Jobs' resignation as Apple CEO: August 24, 2011
Date of Jobs' passing: October 5, 2011
One wonders just how involved Jobs might have been with Lion, given the nature of his illness during the timeline of its development. In retrospect, perhaps Lion was our first glimpse of the post-Jobs Apple.
Re: El Cap on a 2007 iMac - GGD - 09-14-2015
N-OS X-tasy! wrote:
[quote=GGD]
[quote=N-OS X-tasy!]
The more frequently I hear stuff like this, the more convinced I become that, were Jobs to rise from the grave today, he would sack anyone at Apple who had anything to do with unleashing Yosemite upon an unsuspecting world.
Just remember that he was the one that unleashed Lion on the world.
OS X 10.7 (Lion) release date: July 20, 2011
Date of Jobs' resignation as Apple CEO: August 24, 2011
Date of Jobs' passing: October 5, 2011
One wonders just how involved Jobs might have been with Lion, given the nature of his illness during the timeline of its development. In retrospect, perhaps Lion was our first glimpse of the post-Jobs Apple.
Here he is on the stage at WWDC 2011 when Lion was announced.
https://youtu.be/zHZf9wr2Ak8?t=128
OS X 10.6 (Snowleopard) release date: August 28, 2009
When do you think development of Lion began and who was in control of Apple when features were being defined? I suspect it started before Snowleopard was released.
Re: El Cap on a 2007 iMac - sekker - 09-14-2015
Lion was the biggest middle finger to Mac users in a LONG time.
No question that SJ made that call during Mac OSX development.
Re: El Cap on a 2007 iMac - p8712 - 09-14-2015
To be fair, had Jobs lived longer, I think ios/MacOS fusion would've gone more smoothly.
Re: El Cap on a 2007 iMac - N-OS X-tasy! - 09-14-2015
GGD wrote:
[quote=N-OS X-tasy!]
[quote=GGD]
[quote=N-OS X-tasy!]
The more frequently I hear stuff like this, the more convinced I become that, were Jobs to rise from the grave today, he would sack anyone at Apple who had anything to do with unleashing Yosemite upon an unsuspecting world.
Just remember that he was the one that unleashed Lion on the world.
OS X 10.7 (Lion) release date: July 20, 2011
Date of Jobs' resignation as Apple CEO: August 24, 2011
Date of Jobs' passing: October 5, 2011
One wonders just how involved Jobs might have been with Lion, given the nature of his illness during the timeline of its development. In retrospect, perhaps Lion was our first glimpse of the post-Jobs Apple.
Here he is on the stage at WWDC 2011 when Lion was announced.
https://youtu.be/zHZf9wr2Ak8?t=128
OS X 10.6 (Snowleopard) release date: August 28, 2009
When do you think development of Lion began and who was in control of Apple when features were being defined? I suspect it started before Snowleopard was released.
The problem with Lion wasn't its features, it was its execution. Memory management in particular was atrocious in Lion.
Yes, Jobs was at Apple's helm when Lion was announced, but do you truly believe he was as involved in its development as he had been with previous versions of the OS? Keep in mind the liver transplant Jobs had in April 2009 and the medical leave of absence he took in January 2011 (from which he never fully returned). I'm sure he was as involved as his illness permitted him to be at the time, but I do not believe he was nearly as involved as he had been in the past. His presence at WWDC that year was essentially as a figurehead.
Re: El Cap on a 2007 iMac - GGD - 09-14-2015
N-OS X-tasy! wrote:
The problem with Lion wasn't its features, it was its execution. Memory management in particular was atrocious in Lion.
Yes, Jobs was at Apple's helm when Lion was announced, but do you truly believe he was as involved in its development as he had been with previous versions of the OS? Keep in mind the liver transplant Jobs had in April 2009 and the medical leave of absence he took in January 2011 (from which he never fully returned). I'm sure he was involved as his illness permitted him to be at the time, but I do not believe he was nearly as involved as he had been in the past. His presence at WWDC that year was essentially as a figurehead.
We probably disagree on this but here's how I view Lion, it was the OS for iCloud, and iCloud was on Steve's bucket list for a very long time, and he was very involved in making those WWDC 2011 technologies (including building a new datacenter) happen, maybe sooner than when they were really ready due to what he knew about his health.
Also remember that Snowleopard was a "no new features" release, so Lion was the first feature release since Leopard in 2007 (and it's release was delayed due to shifting resources to the iPhone) and development of it's features probably began around 2007.
Here's Steve Jobs in 1997 describing his vision of what eventually became iCloud and a lot of the direction Apple has been taking.
https://youtu.be/GnO7D5UaDig?t=808
Re: El Cap on a 2007 iMac - sekker - 09-15-2015
Lion ditched all PowerPC legacy code, provided a few new features that didn't work well, and then became the terminal supported OS for the number one selling Mac at the time (the white MacBooks).
It was a step backward in many, many ways.
Re: El Cap on a 2007 iMac - p8712 - 09-15-2015
sekker wrote:
Lion ditched all PowerPC legacy code, provided a few new features that didn't work well, and then became the terminal supported OS for the number one selling Mac at the time (the white MacBooks).
It was a step backward in many, many ways.
The 32 bit graphics killed the white macbooks. I'm shocked they were the best selling macs. Maybe the best selling macs of all time most likely to stab you in the wrists with shards of plastic.
Re: El Cap on a 2007 iMac - Lew Zealand - 09-15-2015
p8712 wrote:
[quote=sekker]
Lion ditched all PowerPC legacy code, provided a few new features that didn't work well, and then became the terminal supported OS for the number one selling Mac at the time (the white MacBooks).
It was a step backward in many, many ways.
The 32 bit graphics killed the white macbooks. I'm shocked they were the best selling macs. Maybe the best selling macs of all time most likely to stab you in the wrists with shards of plastic.
This is a too-convenient summary. The 2009 and later MacBooks (5,2, 6,1, 7,1) all can run OS 10.10 and a lot of MacBooks1,1 had already been left at 10.6.8 and didn't even make it to Lion.
I don't know what the sales numbers for each of the Macbooks versions were but roughly half (probably a somewhat fewer) were left behind at Lion. The rest of the newer MacBooks are capable of running OS 10.10 and beyond.