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Re: Report: 7 dead, including shooter, in attack near Milwaukee Molson Coors campus - rjmacs - 02-27-2020
Racer X wrote:
Actually it is rjmacs. If you look at fatalities vs population, we aren't near the end of the bell curve. Granted, the weapon of choice is different in many cases, but the behavior is definitely there in other countries and cultures. Look at Asian mass stabbings for example.
I am IN NO WAY EXCUSING THE BEHAVIOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am not talking about fatalities vs population in general. I am talking about workplace murders and severe violence. And I emphatically AM talking about the weapon of choice. Please provide a comparable list of Asian workplace mass stabbings to match my list of American workplace mass shootings. I doubt you'll find one.
Racer X wrote:
Whatever was going on inside the person's head that caused them to pick up something and take their anger, sadness, depression, loneliness, jealousy, whatever, out on others is what everyone needs to think about and focus on.
People tend to want an easy fix to a complex problem, especially if that "easy fix" doesn't personally negatively impact them.
I don't care what the mass shooter's motivations were. I care that they mass shot people, and that, Getting Murdered at Work is Incredibly Common in the U.S. Other peer countries seem to have figured it out.
Re: Report: 7 dead, including shooter, in attack near Milwaukee Molson Coors campus - D. Lawson - 02-27-2020
rjmacs wrote:
Did you read my whole post? I can edit your post down to a couple words and cherry pick a critique, too.
Try again.
I deal in real world numbers, not ideologies. Mexico's firearms policies are some of the most restrictive in the world, but no sane person would argue that gun violence isn't a reality for their citizens as a result. Are you going to argue that cartel or vigilante violence in the workplace is of no concern there?
Re: Report: 7 dead, including shooter, in attack near Milwaukee Molson Coors campus - rjmacs - 02-27-2020
D. Lawson wrote:
[quote=rjmacs]
Did you read my whole post? I can edit your post down to a couple words and cherry pick a critique, too.
Try again.
I deal in real world numbers, not ideologies. Mexico's firearms policies are some of the most restrictive in the world, but no sane person would argue that gun violence isn't a reality for their citizens as a result.
Did I advocate Mexican firearms policies for the U.S.? Did I make any policy recommendations about firearms at all? I didn't mean to. Not my point at all.
My point was to express my disappointment that in MY country, you're a LOT more likely to get shot to death by a disgruntled (ex-/)employee than in any other comparable nation on Earth. Or by an (ex-/) spouse or lover, if you happen to be a woman.
It's not an unreasonable thing to be bummed about.
Oh, and those are "real world numbers" in the links above, in case you got distracted. Your real world numbers on Mexican workplace mass shootings got lost when you hit "Post," I guess.
Re: Report: 7 dead, including shooter, in attack near Milwaukee Molson Coors campus - Racer X - 02-27-2020
The workplace rate in the US is pretty steady over the last decade. Table 2 in the 400-500 range since 2011. https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/cfoi.pdf If you correlate these numbers with total number of jobs year by year, it might account for some of the fluctuations.
Ballpark is an additional 10%ish that are stabbed or slashed. No numbers for blunt objects.
You can get an understanding of a real crime breakdown by table 20 here. State by state https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/topic-pages/tables/table-20 In Washington State, 40% are committed by something other than a firearm. People find a way.
And it has been going on for decades. "Mass workplace killings have been happening for decades in the U.S. and around the world, gaining widespread attention in the 1980s and `90s." https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2019/06/14/529322.htm The media and info distribution is just that more efficient these days.
Re: Report: 7 dead, including shooter, in attack near Milwaukee Molson Coors campus - rjmacs - 02-28-2020
So, firstly: I'm right but I've been right for a while - great. Secondly, you cite general homicide statistics when we're talking specifically about workplace violence, which doesn't follow or connect logically. Thirdly, you cite an article that recapitulates (nicely, so thanks) the list of workplace mass shootings I linked earlier. I think we agree!