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Re: Does Baseball Hall of Fame have character requirements for eligibility? - vision63 - 01-28-2021
robfilms wrote:
[quote=vision63]
They're sketchy over many things. I can't stand Curt Schilling but how is he not a Hall of Famer?
For me, Schilling had two decent post seasons. Both of those post seasons were attached to historic series. Thus the heralded praise. That’s about it. As a career starting pitcher, decent to good but definitely not great.
Stay well.
Rob
( a lifelong baseball fan who can still name all the WS winners in order going back 100+ yrs!)
That's amazing!!!
Re: Does Baseball Hall of Fame have character requirements for eligibility? - rjmacs - 01-28-2021
Curt Schilling is a confirmed bigot. Go ahead and give him more honors - it will only diminish what the HoF means to most Americans.
Re: Does Baseball Hall of Fame have character requirements for eligibility? - Ted King - 01-28-2021
What if a player who clearly had a Hall of Fame career was found out to be a serial killer who sexually molested numerous children before killing them?
I get that it is really messy to take into account the life of a player outside of their purely baseball (football, etc) exploits, but the truth is that if a player's actions are reprehensible enough, people in general are going to be too disgusted to let them in (or stay in) the Hall of Fame for their sport. I don't think it is realistic to just make it a blanket principle that what a player does outside their sport should not have any bearing on whether or not they are in their sport's Hall of Fame. Assessing whether or not a player's life outside their sport should exclude them from a Hall of Fame is rife with many problems that people rightfully call out - where to draw the lines is bound to seem arbitrary to many - but I think it's unavoidable.
Re: Does Baseball Hall of Fame have character requirements for eligibility? - vision63 - 01-28-2021
rjmacs wrote:
Curt Schilling is a confirmed bigot. Go ahead and give him more honors - it will only diminish what the HoF means to most Americans.
The Hall of Fame should "only" mean the best of the best. Period. Otherwise, what's the point? There isn't any other point. Really, anyone that feels otherwise, needs to acknowledge that they don't care about baseball.
Re: Does Baseball Hall of Fame have character requirements for eligibility? - Dennis S - 01-28-2021
vision63 wrote:
[quote=rjmacs]
Curt Schilling is a confirmed bigot. Go ahead and give him more honors - it will only diminish what the HoF means to most Americans.
The Hall of Fame should "only" mean the best of the best. Period. Otherwise, what's the point? There isn't any other point. Really, anyone that feels otherwise, needs to acknowledge that they don't care about baseball.
Amen. And this applies doubly to that travesty called the "Rock and Roll Hall of Fame."
Re: Does Baseball Hall of Fame have character requirements for eligibility? - rjmacs - 01-28-2021
vision63 wrote:
[quote=rjmacs]
Curt Schilling is a confirmed bigot. Go ahead and give him more honors - it will only diminish what the HoF means to most Americans.
The Hall of Fame should "only" mean the best of the best. Period. Otherwise, what's the point? There isn't any other point. Really, anyone that feels otherwise, needs to acknowledge that they don't care about baseball.
I didn't write the HoF's instructions on voting:
Baseball Hall of Fame wrote:
Voting shall be based upon the player’s record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.
Re: Does Baseball Hall of Fame have character requirements for eligibility? - vision63 - 01-28-2021
rjmacs wrote:
[quote=vision63]
[quote=rjmacs]
Curt Schilling is a confirmed bigot. Go ahead and give him more honors - it will only diminish what the HoF means to most Americans.
The Hall of Fame should "only" mean the best of the best. Period. Otherwise, what's the point? There isn't any other point. Really, anyone that feels otherwise, needs to acknowledge that they don't care about baseball.
I didn't write the HoF's instructions on voting:
Baseball Hall of Fame wrote:
Voting shall be based upon the player’s record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.
Every instruction in baseball "used" to include deeply seated deliberate racist instructions. They changed that. Their exclusion of players that broke zero rules is patently unfair and they need to change that too. Pete Rose actually broke a clearly stated rule. If he had capitulated and fallen on his sword, they would have allowed him in too (as they should) since he's an absolute legend.
The Hall shouldn't be there to punish anyone. How are they gonna have a year when NOBODY gets in by the hands of pencil pushing, never played a lick purists making the choices?
Re: Does Baseball Hall of Fame have character requirements for eligibility? - vision63 - 01-28-2021
Dennis S wrote:
[quote=vision63]
[quote=rjmacs]
Curt Schilling is a confirmed bigot. Go ahead and give him more honors - it will only diminish what the HoF means to most Americans.
The Hall of Fame should "only" mean the best of the best. Period. Otherwise, what's the point? There isn't any other point. Really, anyone that feels otherwise, needs to acknowledge that they don't care about baseball.
Amen. And this applies doubly to that travesty called the "Rock and Roll Hall of Fame."
Sometimes I think of Norman Greenbaum's "Spirit in the SkY" and think, here's a guy that wrote one perfect hit song. So perfect, that 50 years later creators clamor to pay him up to a million dollars a year to use in tv and movies. They believe it resonates so strongly a sense of time and place that they'll pay a king's ransom to use it.
I mean, this emeffer should be in the Hall based on this one sweet bastard of a song before so many others.
Re: Does Baseball Hall of Fame have character requirements for eligibility? - rjmacs - 01-28-2021
vision63 wrote:
The Hall shouldn't be there to punish anyone. How are they gonna have a year when NOBODY gets in by the hands of pencil pushing, never played a lick purists making the choices?
Nobody's being punished. Talk about athlete fragility. The HoF is promised to no one.
How are they gonna have a year when NOBODY gets in? Well, I guess we're going to find out.
I suspect that Cooperstown will be just fine next year.
Re: Does Baseball Hall of Fame have character requirements for eligibility? - vision63 - 01-28-2021
rjmacs wrote:
[quote=vision63]
The Hall shouldn't be there to punish anyone. How are they gonna have a year when NOBODY gets in by the hands of pencil pushing, never played a lick purists making the choices?
Nobody's being punished. Talk about athlete fragility. The HoF is promised to no one.
How are they gonna have a year when NOBODY gets in? Well, I guess we're going to find out.
I suspect that Cooperstown will be just fine next year.
No it won't. People like me bitch 'em out every year. The Espy's are becoming a much more desirable platitude for athletes. The MLB Hall of Fame, should be "promised" the the best of Major League Baseball. They're already shrinking in the eyes of the public just like MLB baseball itself is. They take the greatest sport and overthink it. Bunch of white boys.