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Re: Los Angeles removes police officers from school campus' - vision63 - 02-18-2021
rjmacs wrote:
Thanks for the discussion. I think we've both made ourselves clear, and there are places we still disagree. But, we agree on a lot more than we don't.-D
I support you even when you're wrong. I have a loving heart.
Re: Los Angeles removes police officers from school campus' - rjmacs - 02-18-2021
vision63 wrote:
[quote=rjmacs]
Thanks for the discussion. I think we've both made ourselves clear, and there are places we still disagree. But, we agree on a lot more than we don't.
I support you even when you're wrong. I have a loving heart.
miley-laughing001:Yes, you do. It comes with the rapier wit.
Re: Los Angeles removes police officers from school campus' - C(-)ris - 02-19-2021
Everyone is an armchair quarterback with this. It will be interesting to see in the next 2-5 years what effect this has.
Re: Los Angeles removes police officers from school campus' - DeusxMac - 02-19-2021
I believe I understand where vision is coming from on this...
rjmacs wrote:
There have never been adequate mental and physical health services in schools.
Is there a guarantee that this is going to happen now? A plan? The infrastructure? The resources? The funding?
rjmacs wrote: There have never been real efforts to establish restorative vs. retributive justice systems to help students heal instead of just punishing offenders.
Is there a guarantee that this is going to happen now? A plan? The infrastructure? The resources? The funding?
rjmacs wrote: There have never been adequately resourced links between the community organizations that support families at risk and in trouble, and the schools where they send their kids.
Is there a guarantee that this is going to happen now? A plan? The infrastructure? The resources? The funding?
If the answer to the above is "no", or "not yet" then there will be NO action for controlling the violence.
And if the answer is "yes" then the next question is WHEN? How many years before results manifest? What about the students in danger right now, and all those going through the system during the years it would take before those results?
Re: Los Angeles removes police officers from school campus' - rjmacs - 02-19-2021
DeusxMac wrote:
I believe I understand where vision is coming from on this...
[quote=rjmacs]
There have never been adequate mental and physical health services in schools.
Is there a guarantee that this is going to happen now? A plan? The infrastructure? The resources? The funding?
rjmacs wrote: There have never been real efforts to establish restorative vs. retributive justice systems to help students heal instead of just punishing offenders.
Is there a guarantee that this is going to happen now? A plan? The infrastructure? The resources? The funding?
rjmacs wrote: There have never been adequately resourced links between the community organizations that support families at risk and in trouble, and the schools where they send their kids.
Is there a guarantee that this is going to happen now? A plan? The infrastructure? The resources? The funding?
If the answer to the above is "no", or "not yet" then there will be NO action for controlling the violence.
And if the answer is "yes" then the next question is WHEN? How many years before results manifest? What about the students in danger right now, and all those going through the system during the years it would take before those results?
Well, they announced a extensive funding and operational plans, per the OP. Rome wasn't built in a day.
Re: Los Angeles removes police officers from school campus' - DeusxMac - 02-19-2021
rjmacs wrote:
[quote=DeusxMac]
I believe I understand where vision is coming from on this...
[quote=rjmacs]
There have never been adequate mental and physical health services in schools.
Is there a guarantee that this is going to happen now? A plan? The infrastructure? The resources? The funding?
rjmacs wrote: There have never been real efforts to establish restorative vs. retributive justice systems to help students heal instead of just punishing offenders.
Is there a guarantee that this is going to happen now? A plan? The infrastructure? The resources? The funding?
rjmacs wrote: There have never been adequately resourced links between the community organizations that support families at risk and in trouble, and the schools where they send their kids.
Is there a guarantee that this is going to happen now? A plan? The infrastructure? The resources? The funding?
If the answer to the above is "no", or "not yet" then there will be NO action for controlling the violence.
And if the answer is "yes" then the next question is WHEN? How many years before results manifest? What about the students in danger right now, and all those going through the system during the years it would take before those results?
Well, they announced a extensive funding and operational plans, per the OP. Rome wasn't built in a day.
Then the two questions remain unaddressed:
1. How many years before results manifest?
2. What about the students in danger right now, and all those going through the system during the years it would take before those results?
Re: Los Angeles removes police officers from school campus' - rjmacs - 02-19-2021
DeusxMac wrote:
[quote=rjmacs]
[quote=DeusxMac]
I believe I understand where vision is coming from on this...
[quote=rjmacs]
There have never been adequate mental and physical health services in schools.
Is there a guarantee that this is going to happen now? A plan? The infrastructure? The resources? The funding?
rjmacs wrote: There have never been real efforts to establish restorative vs. retributive justice systems to help students heal instead of just punishing offenders.
Is there a guarantee that this is going to happen now? A plan? The infrastructure? The resources? The funding?
rjmacs wrote: There have never been adequately resourced links between the community organizations that support families at risk and in trouble, and the schools where they send their kids.
Is there a guarantee that this is going to happen now? A plan? The infrastructure? The resources? The funding?
If the answer to the above is "no", or "not yet" then there will be NO action for controlling the violence.
And if the answer is "yes" then the next question is WHEN? How many years before results manifest? What about the students in danger right now, and all those going through the system during the years it would take before those results?
Well, they announced a extensive funding and operational plans, per the OP. Rome wasn't built in a day.
Then the two questions remain unaddressed:
1. How many years before results manifest?
2. What about the students in danger right now, and all those going through the system during the years it would take before those results?
I'm confident they won't pull all SROs out with nothing to replace them. Results will be evaluated in realtime, so that adjustments to programs can be made. Interventions without cops will be easier to manage, because non-cops are bound by fewer limiting regulations. Also, you can stop pretending that there will now be no security at high schools just because uniformed officers aren't present. That wasn't true before SROs showed up, and it won't be true after. The difference is that security personnel who don't have arrest power are less likely to send kids to the precinct and detention/prison.
Re: Los Angeles removes police officers from school campus' - RgrF - 02-20-2021
The district is second in size to New York, given the size implementation and results will be slow coming in. Smaller districts with similar problems surround LAUSD, if Long Beach or others follow suit they could well have quicker results.
Re: Los Angeles removes police officers from school campus' - vision63 - 02-20-2021
This ia all a game to people that don't live in these places. People are hiding behind their doors while the wild Wild West manifests outside.
Data: gun violence across Long Beach has spiked, reaching its worst level in years
https://lbpost.com/news/crime/shootings-increased-long-beach-worst-years-data
Re: Los Angeles removes police officers from school campus' - rjmacs - 02-20-2021
vision63 wrote:
This ia all a game to people that don't live in these places. People are hiding behind their doors while the wild Wild West manifests outside.
Data: gun violence across Long Beach has spiked, reaching its worst level in years
https://lbpost.com/news/crime/shootings-increased-long-beach-worst-years-data
And LAPD ain't done shit to stop it yet, why trust your schoolkids to them?
The police aren't the solution to this problem.