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Re: NY Hasidic group demands right to only religious education - pdq - 09-14-2022
gadje wrote:
fine with me, as long as they move to their own country.
here in the USA, we cannot tolerate ignorant people.
Eh, we have a lot of those anyway, sadly.
In any case, mostly okay with me - we give parents a lot of leeway in raising their kids in this country, as long as they don’t kill them - but not using my tax money, please.
Re: NY Hasidic group demands right to only religious education - Janit - 09-14-2022
graylocks wrote:
[quote=Janit]
Do you know which particular groups do this? The popular press tends to use the term Hasidim to mean all Hasidim, as well as all Haredim.
The NYT article repeatedly states that it is not all Hasidic schools but some of the ultra observant ones. It still is affecting large numbers of children and it seems boys are more affected than girls.
The Ultra-Orthodox Jewish community is a convoluted tangle of factions that sometimes cooperate with one another and sometimes vilify one another for not being sufficiently observant.
It is important to remember that the arguments made on both sides rely on "facts" that should be further investigated in order to determine if they are actual facts.
Naftuli Moster, founder of YAFFED (Young Advocates for Fair Education), has argued that many members of the Hasidic community would like to see their children receive more secular education, but are afraid to speak up publicly for fear of ostracism from the community.
Moster, who was educated in a Yeshiva run by the Belz Hassidim, is now vilified by the leaders of many Hasidic groups.
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/23/nyregion/a-yeshiva-graduate-fights-for-secular-studies-in-hasidic-education.html
Re: NY Hasidic group demands right to only religious education - Michael - 09-14-2022
Take state money, follow state rules.
Re: NY Hasidic group demands right to only religious education - SteveG - 09-14-2022
@mattkime
mattkime wrote:
... If you live near them long enough you see the surprising ways in which the rules don't quite apply to them the way they do to everyone else. When they don't like certain city policies they have a way of changing things through secretive processes.
They're religious zealots who want to wall themselves off except when the state has something to offer, usually money. They're happy to take our money.
'They'?
a rather disappointing response once all the previous explanations of the situation have been posted...'THEY'.
Re: NY Hasidic group demands right to only religious education - Spock - 09-14-2022
Steve G. wrote:
[quote=Spock]
It is not the purpose of education to turn children into ignorant bigoted clones of their parents.
The Supreme Court will probably disagree with you.
Alas, you are probably right.
It's also DEath Santis's guiding principle.
Re: NY Hasidic group demands right to only religious education - mattkime - 09-14-2022
Steve G. wrote:
'They'?
a rather disappointing response once all the previous explanations of the situation have been posted...'THEY'.
Its a pronoun. What do you take issue with?
Re: NY Hasidic group demands right to only religious education - Fritz - 09-15-2022
are we discussing religion in general?
"Did you make man-Kind
After we made you?
And the devil too!"
XTC - Andy Partidge