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Re: Trump indicted again. - SteveG - 08-01-2023
6 others named as co-conspirators (so far unindicted)
Re: Trump indicted again. - hal - 08-01-2023
I couldn't see the image so I loaded it in a new tab and saw THIS:
I've never been so proud... I have no idea... I haven't set up an account or anything...
Steve G. wrote:
Nazis! Soviets! Authoritarian! Dictatorial!
Those alleged actions are:
— Attempts to get state officials to overturn the legitimate results in their states.
— Organizing or attempting to organize fraudulent slates of pro-Trump electors in “seven targeted states” — Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin
— Attempts to use the Justice Department to “conduct sham election crime investigations.”
— Attempts to pressure then-Vice President Mike Pence to use his role in the official events of Jan. 6 to subvert the legitimate election results.
— Exploiting the violence on Jan. 6 to convince members of Congress to “further delay” certification of the election results based on false claims of fraud.
Re: Trump indicted again. - hal - 08-01-2023
and THIS time he gets an Obama judge
[edit]: stolen from twitter: Chutkan, an Obama appointee, is the only federal judge in Washington, D.C. who has sentenced Jan. 6 defendants to sentences longer than the government had requested.
Re: Trump indicted again. - SteveG - 08-01-2023
Arrest and hearing takes place on Thursday
Re: Trump indicted again. - Ombligo - 08-01-2023
As exciting as this is, the Georgia charges are more important as they can not receive a presidential pardon.
Re: Trump indicted again. - sekker - 08-01-2023
Ombligo wrote:
As exciting as this is, the Georgia charges are more important as they can not receive a presidential pardon.
Interesting.
I think the Georgia charges are likely the clearest smoking gun, too. As there were many who recorded phone calls.
Re: Trump indicted again. - Ca Bob - 08-01-2023
In Los Angeles, CBS NBC, and ABC ran the story, including live coverage of the Smith press conference. Channel 11 is the Fox broadcast station, and they continued to run some quiz show that I've never heard of. I do not know what the cable version of Fox ran.
The story, if I understand correctly, is that Trump has been indicted for what happened on January 6. The CBS commenter interpreted the indictment as accusing Trump of conspiring with others to stop the congress from doing its job on Jan 6, in a way which went beyond his right to speak his mind and share his opinions.
The CBS commenters did not seem at all unsure about who most of the coconspirators are, ticking them off one by one including Eastman. I imagine Giuliani is one of them.
By the way, there is nothing to stop Trump from running for president, but his ability to appear at rallies on trial days may be slightly compromised.
Re: Trump indicted again. - SteveG - 08-01-2023
The indictment alleges that Trump and co-conspirators “exploited” the January 6 attack on the US Capitol by continuing efforts to convince members of Congress to delay the certification of the election.
“As violence ensued, the Defendant and co-conspirators exploited the disruption by redoubling efforts to levy false claims of election fraud and convince Members of Congress to further delay the certification based on those claims,” according to the indictment.
The indictment also says that Trump had deceived many rioters to believe then-Vice President Mike Pence could change the election results to make Trump the victor.
Re: Trump indicted again. - SteveG - 08-01-2023
Trump supporters in seven key states met on December 14, 2020, and signed fake certificates, falsely proclaiming that Trump actually won their state and they were the rightful electors. They submitted these fake certificates to Congress and to the National Archives, in anticipation that their false claims would be embraced during the Electoral College certification on January 6.
At the time, their actions were largely dismissed as an elaborate political cosplay. But it eventually became clear that this was part of an orchestrated plan.
“Under the plan, the submission of these fraudulent slates would create a fake controversy at the certification proceeding and position the Vice President-presiding on January 6 as President of the Senate to supplant legitimate electors with the Defendant’s fake electors and certify the Defendant as president,” the indictment states.
Senior Trump campaign officials orchestrated the fake electors plot and directly oversaw the state-by-state mechanics – linking Trump’s campaign apparatus to what originally looked like a hapless political stunt by local Trump supporters.
Matthew DePerno, the Republican candidate for Michigan Attorney General, speaks during a Dearborn Public Schools board meeting inside Stout Middle School in Dearborn on Thursday, Oct. 13, 2022.
Trump-backed candidate for Michigan AG and ex-GOP lawmaker face state charges over alleged voting machine plot after 2020 election
Federal investigators have subpoenaed the fake electors across the country, sent FBI agents to interview witnesses about their conduct, and recently granted immunity to two fake electors from Nevada to secure their grand jury testimony.
In Michigan, the state’s attorney general charged the 16 fake electors who signed certificates falsely claiming Trump won Michigan in the 2020 election with multiple felonies. Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis is also expected to ask a grand jury this month to bring charges related to efforts in Georgia to subvert the election results.
Re: Trump indicted again. - Speedy - 08-01-2023
PeterB wrote:
Full text here (I didn't see that anyone else had posted the link) : https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/8a7503af-fde7-4061-818c-7d7e0ee06036.pdf?itid=lk_inline_manual_4
Edit: reading it now, wow, just wow. ::o
Jack Smith understood the assignment !!! (tu)
T bad Smith wasn’t in on the Mueller probe. Or, better yet, put in place of Mueller.