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Re: $20 minimum wage for California fast food workers starts today - vision63 - 04-01-2024
mrbigstuff wrote:
it is *not* full. hardly. but I agree with everything else you wrote.
how to overcome that? it's not what used to happen. we used to welcome the influx as we had jobs for people. now, most of our jobs don't necessarily produce a "product" but rather satisfy a "service," hence the service economy. yet, we still do produce lots and CA is the farm for the country.
there are lots of permutations of the "answer" to this question, and none are entirely correct or incorrect. we have to do all of it, and then some. we have to win the population game, it's how we will survive as a nation and a collection of people from disparate backgrounds.
It's full where I circled. Unless you can build on top of mountains or water. YIMBYs want to build towers to the sun. But they don't care who lives in them. Some people don't want that. They don't care who doesn't has housing.
We don't "have" to survive as a nation. We can fail. This country will mess around and elect Condors to run it. Everything will become carrion based.
Re: $20 minimum wage for California fast food workers starts today - vision63 - 04-01-2024
hal wrote:
not just all that, but for many years the number of new people moving to CA outstripped the number of new dwelling built. It was like that year after year and then Paradise, CA burned up and suddenly 20000 more people were looking for a place to live.
The supply/demand in housing has been wrecked ever since.
The cost of a crappy 1 room studio rental in Sacramento has literally doubled in 10 years.
Well, we in California are increasingly valuing our natural lands. The sprawl of the '40s '50s '60s '70s and '80s has given way to limiting where growth can occur. In the North Valley, Sacramento, Marysville/Yuba City, Oroville, Chico, Red Bluff, and Redding are holding the line to protect agricultural lands (though a lot has been conceded). in Fresno for example, the land west of CA-99 is becoming a boom area. In the South San Joquin Valley, the agricultural lands are under huge real estate speculation. Whenever the High-Speed Rail is completed, Merced, Madera, Fresno, Bakersfield, and their suburbs will become population centers.
In my humble opinion. god bless.
Re: $20 minimum wage for California fast food workers starts today - mrbigstuff - 04-01-2024
vision63 wrote:
[quote=mrbigstuff]
it is *not* full. hardly. but I agree with everything else you wrote.
how to overcome that? it's not what used to happen. we used to welcome the influx as we had jobs for people. now, most of our jobs don't necessarily produce a "product" but rather satisfy a "service," hence the service economy. yet, we still do produce lots and CA is the farm for the country.
there are lots of permutations of the "answer" to this question, and none are entirely correct or incorrect. we have to do all of it, and then some. we have to win the population game, it's how we will survive as a nation and a collection of people from disparate backgrounds.
It's full where I circled. Unless you can build on top of mountains or water. YIMBYs want to build towers to the sun. But they don't care who lives in them. Some people don't want that. They don't care who doesn't has housing.
We don't "have" to survive as a nation. We can fail. This country will mess around and elect Condors to run it. Everything will become carrion based.
you know how the saying goes, "carrion my wayward son, there'll be peace when you are done."
Re: $20 minimum wage for California fast food workers starts today - $tevie - 04-01-2024
Re: $20 minimum wage for California fast food workers starts today - Speedy - 04-01-2024
In my state fast food would collapse if the minimum wage was raised to $15/hour. So the legislation failed. Then labor shortages kicked the wage to $15/hour. Nobody closed because they had to pay $15 to get enough workers.
Re: $20 minimum wage for California fast food workers starts today - pdq - 04-02-2024
Speedy wrote:
In my state fast food would collapse if the minimum wage was raised to $15/hour. So the legislation failed. Then labor shortages kicked the wage to $15/hour. Nobody closed because they had to pay $15 to get enough workers.
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Re: $20 minimum wage for California fast food workers starts today - sekker - 04-02-2024
pdq wrote:
[quote=Speedy]
In my state fast food would collapse if the minimum wage was raised to $15/hour. So the legislation failed. Then labor shortages kicked the wage to $15/hour. Nobody closed because they had to pay $15 to get enough workers.
miley-score010:
100
There is a local bakery that pays over $30/hr in Minneapolis. And has regular openings. It’s hard work, but they are at least paying a livable wage now.
Re: $20 minimum wage for California fast food workers starts today - Filliam H. Muffman - 04-03-2024
hal wrote:
not just all that, but for many years the number of new people moving to CA outstripped the number of new dwelling built. It was like that year after year and then Paradise, CA burned up and suddenly 20000 more people were looking for a place to live.
The supply/demand in housing has been wrecked ever since.
The cost of a crappy 1 room studio rental in Sacramento has literally doubled in 10 years.
Yep. My apartment building was sold twice in the last 3 years I was there. Too bad they didn't install a security gate to reduce chance of cars being stolen (or having converters cut out). I got a break on rent because they couldn't refurb my apartment while I was living there. When I left, I was paying half ($825) what the other tenants were. 1 bed in the same area are now $2000 - $3500.
I wish I had done what a friend did, buy a house in a mostly flood-free area of West Sac. He almost doubled his money when he sold after graduating Sac State.
It might be partly due to fires. I would like to see a trend chart to directly tie it to that. I think it's more low interest rates from 2009 to 2018 enabling large companies to buy up large numbers of homes for rental.