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Re: Kruschev Prophesy? is it coming or already here? - Filliam H. Muffman - 11-03-2008
billb wrote:
[quote=$tevie]
Why did you leave out warrantless wiretapping, stripping detainees of the right to habeas corpus, data-mining of phone records, or allowing torture? Whoops, that's right, those are Republican accomplishments. And we all know that being allowed to smoke is a lot more important than being allowed one's constitutional rights.
Selective memory:
http://www.cnn.com/US/9607/29/clinton.terrorism/
same old koolaid
Whoops, Clinton wanted to do it with Congressional approval. What a concept.
Re: Kruschev Prophesy? is it coming or already here? - Gutenberg - 11-03-2008
Oh, hooey. The bill Clinton wanted would have placed chemical tracers in explosives and allowed one warrant to apply to all telephones used by an individual terrorist suspect. Good Lord, it is not the same at all. For one thing, Clinton's wiretap would have required a warrant, a little something that's covered in the Fourth Amendment.
The Republicans essentially brought the writ of assistance--a kind of general warrant that allowed the authorities to search anywhere, anytime, for anything they wanted to--back. The writ of assistance is one of the damned reasons we fought the damned Revolutionary War.
Re: Kruschev Prophesy? is it coming or already here? - Dennis S - 11-03-2008
$tevie wrote:
Why did you leave out warrantless wiretapping, stripping detainees of the right to habeas corpus, data-mining of phone records, or allowing torture? Whoops, that's right, those are Republican accomplishments. And we all know that being allowed to smoke is a lot more important than being allowed one's constitutional rights.
Don't forget stealing elections. That would make ol' Joe Stalin proud. Or, running up a 10 trillion dollar debt. Or, nationalizing part of the financial system.
Re: Kruschev Prophesy? is it coming or already here? - $tevie - 11-03-2008
I listed four items, one of which was warrantless wiretapping, and billb fires back with an ancient news story showing that Bill Clinton was looking to legalize the use of single-warrant wiretapping. Ooh, ouch, what a comeback.
Care to check your own glass, billb?
Re: Kruschev Prophesy? is it coming or already here? - Mac1337 - 11-03-2008
$tevie wrote:
Why did you leave out warrantless wiretapping, stripping detainees of the right to habeas corpus, data-mining of phone records, or allowing torture? Whoops, that's right, those are Republican accomplishments. And we all know that being allowed to smoke is a lot more important than being allowed one's constitutional rights.
Mark my words, Obama will do ALL of that, and more. Heck , he is poised to have his own surge in Afghanistan. DailyKooks type are in for a great disappointment.
Re: Kruschev Prophesy? is it coming or already here? - $tevie - 11-03-2008
I'm guessing that DailyKook is a play on Daily Kos, which I never look at. If it wasn't for the right wingers on these boards I wouldn't even remember it existed.
:poke:
Re: Kruschev Prophesy? is it coming or already here? - $tevie - 11-03-2008
Dakota wrote:
[quote=$tevie]
Why did you leave out warrantless wiretapping, stripping detainees of the right to habeas corpus, data-mining of phone records, or allowing torture? Whoops, that's right, those are Republican accomplishments. And we all know that being allowed to smoke is a lot more important than being allowed one's constitutional rights.
Mark my words, Obama will do ALL of that, and more. Heck , he is poised to have his own surge in Afghanistan. DailyKooks type are in for a great disappointment.
Still not exactly germane to what I wrote. Did I mention any surge?
Re: Kruschev Prophesy? is it coming or already here? - Mac1337 - 11-04-2008
$tevie wrote:
[quote=Dakota]
[quote=$tevie]
Why did you leave out warrantless wiretapping, stripping detainees of the right to habeas corpus, data-mining of phone records, or allowing torture? Whoops, that's right, those are Republican accomplishments. And we all know that being allowed to smoke is a lot more important than being allowed one's constitutional rights.
Mark my words, Obama will do ALL of that, and more. Heck , he is poised to have his own surge in Afghanistan. DailyKooks type are in for a great disappointment.
Still not exactly germane to what I wrote. Did I mention any surge?
No, but the greater point is that to run this country a president, any president, has to do certain things that may not look pretty. We'll see if he closes gitmo. We'll see if he "ends the war" in Iraq. We'll see if he lets people retreat behind borders of a "sovereign" country and plan attacks on us. We'll see if he lets anyone call anyone here without intelligence agencies knowing about them. He'll do all that you and won't hear a peep from 90% of people on this side of the board.
Re: Kruschev Prophesy? is it coming or already here? - incognegro - 11-04-2008
they should call Iraq what it really was and is - an invasion and occupation.
although of the many definitions of war, a few do fit what we did.
Re: Kruschev Prophesy? is it coming or already here? - Mac-A-Matic - 11-04-2008
Whatever the argument, we're two years into a democrat-controlled Congress and those invasions and erosions have not been reversed.
This destruction of Our American Way isn't a republican game. It's our collective government stripping our foundations away from us, bit by bit.