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Re: Harry Reid says Paying Taxes in America is VOLUNTARY - Black - 02-06-2009
Dakota wrote:
[quote=Black Landlord]
This thread makes me want to quit my job so I can be present for the glorious spectacle of watching discussions like this unfold.
How does a landlord quit his job?
If landlording was my job my net income would be somewhere between -$600 and -$1,000 per month. I'd have to pay at stimulus check time.
Re: Harry Reid says Paying Taxes in America is VOLUNTARY - Mac1337 - 02-06-2009
Black wrote:
[quote=Dakota]
[quote=Black Landlord]
This thread makes me want to quit my job so I can be present for the glorious spectacle of watching discussions like this unfold.
How does a landlord quit his job?
If landlording was my job my net income would be somewhere between -$600 and -$1,000 per month. I'd have to pay at stimulus check time.
I hear you. I am losing money every month. BTW, you are now just Black. OK.
Re: Harry Reid says Paying Taxes in America is VOLUNTARY - deckeda - 02-06-2009
swampy wrote:
Come on Deckeda... Reid granted him an interview.
Perhaps you think Reid brought this upon himself, by granting an interview knowing he'd be ambushed.
The point of interviewing is to discover something you or your audience doesn't know, not to lead the interviewee into a trap so that you can satisfy a personal or company agenda. And THAT, my dear, is the difference between Journalism 101 and being a goofball.
Here's a clue for the clueless. The "interview" was preceded by this statement, which revealed the setup,
tie guy wrote: Trying to argue that governmental action is not forceful, Sen. Harry Reid claimed that income taxes are voluntary."
It all sounds absurd and shocking, and tie guy delivered absurd and shocking to anyone who wants to view Reid look like either an idiot or a lier. You're tie guy's audience, swampy. Each of us enjoys their own form of entertainment. But journalism it is not. Your clue to that fact will be the silence in respected media and national discussion that won't be happening outside of the tinfoil community about any of this. I'll wait here to be proven wrong, m'kay?
swampy wrote:
Tie guy first asked about taking money from the people and giving it to other people and "what are Americans supposed to think of their government?" When Reid responded with "Your premise is wrong, we don't take...", Tie guy went for the throat. Tie guy kept rephrasing the question and Reid kept digging his hole.
Reid immediately recognized the premise was a setup. "Rephrasing" wasn't gonna then very productive, since tie guy never acknowledged the premise was blatantly outrageous. In fact, tie guy spent the 4 minutes defending his premise again and again. Here it is again,
tie guy wrote:
If the government is in the business of forcefully taking money from some people in order to provide welfare benefits to others, how will the people who's money is being taken feel about the government?
Ready? Here we go:
"If the government is in the business of forcefully taking money from some people" << sound right to you? That's government's objective? What about prior to the IRS' existence? Did government ever have functions back then? Did they all disappear? If so, when?
"in order to provide welfare benefits to others," << that's clever because it has that favorite buzzword of conservatives 'welfare' (as if welfare is a bad thing) and because it assumes that those that pay taxes don't enjoy benefits of taxes being paid by others. Bizarre.
"how will the people who's money is being taken feel about the government?" << duh
In retrospect there are a ton of ways Reid could have responded better --- no one here disputes that, do they? It remains however, not the point.
Re: Harry Reid says Paying Taxes in America is VOLUNTARY - swampy - 02-06-2009
So, I take it you agree with Harry Reid?
Re: Harry Reid says Paying Taxes in America is VOLUNTARY - deckeda - 02-06-2009
Which answer or description given by Reid to the numerous out of context assertions and leading questions that were presented to him with malice would you think I might agree with?
Re: Harry Reid says Paying Taxes in America is VOLUNTARY - Kiva - 02-07-2009
#1: everybody knows reid is a Tool. Nobody is debating that..
#2: this whole thing is too complicated / nuanced for swampy to understand. Now, she'll bail out of this thread at the end just like she does in every other thread she participates in and doesn't know how to respond....
Re: Harry Reid says Paying Taxes in America is VOLUNTARY - swampy - 02-07-2009
Kiva wrote:
#1: everybody knows reid is a Tool. Nobody is debating that..
#2: this whole thing is too complicated / nuanced for swampy to understand. Now, she'll bail out of this thread at the end just like she does in every other thread she participates in and doesn't know how to respond....
It's not that I don't know how to respond, Kiva. When responses by others reach the name calling stage and inferring that opposing posters are stupid, I care not to participate.
Re: Harry Reid says Paying Taxes in America is VOLUNTARY - max - 02-07-2009
Greg wrote:
What sort of personality does it take to deliberately play a poor semantic game with someone sitting in front of you like that, in an effort to make them look foolish?
Why would you bring up Katie Couric doing a job on Sarah Palin?.....
Re: Harry Reid says Paying Taxes in America is VOLUNTARY - max - 02-07-2009
deckeda wrote:Before IRS the Federal government managed to fulfill its objective functions, ie defend the citizens from outside threats without taking money from some of its citizens to give to others in order to buy political influence.
"If the government is in the business of forcefully taking money from some people" << sound right to you? That's government's objective? What about prior to the IRS' existence? Did government ever have functions back then? Did they all disappear? If so, when?
They still managed to buy political influence on what they had....
Re: Harry Reid says Paying Taxes in America is VOLUNTARY - Kiva - 02-07-2009
swampy wrote:
[quote=Kiva]
#1: everybody knows reid is a Tool. Nobody is debating that..
#2: this whole thing is too complicated / nuanced for swampy to understand. Now, she'll bail out of this thread at the end just like she does in every other thread she participates in and doesn't know how to respond....
It's not that I don't know how to respond, Kiva. When responses by others reach the name calling stage and inferring that opposing posters are stupid, I care not to participate.
ok, i think i went to the extreme of calling you 'sad' here....perish the thought: http://forums.macresource.com/read.php?2,662620,663697#msg-663697
don't think i name-called here: http://forums.macresource.com/read.php?2,650511,652776#msg-652776
I directly called you out on it here, with no response: http://forums.macresource.com/read.php?2,649642,650861#msg-650861
try those..
kiva