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Re: SCOTUS poll - OWC Jamie - 03-28-2013
Even churches have to answer to a higher power.
many are also bound to charters and doctrines and even government controls and regulations and hardly do "whatever they want".
I'd like to see the government stay on the legal side of the domestic partnership fence and the church stay on the spiritual side.
Too many bigots and control freaks to ever allow and make that happen.
Re: SCOTUS poll - davester - 03-28-2013
$tevie wrote:
I'm unclear on how I feel about what I'm going to say, but it seems like everyone is all for letting individual churches refuse to marry gays but find it outrageous if individual churches refuse to marry interracial couples. I think I am of the opinion that, as wrong as it feels, churches should be allowed to be bigots because of the separation of church and state.
Just because people are all for letting churches do what they want does not mean that those same people approve of what the churches do. I think those churches are run by bigots in either case. There's no law against bigots, but there is a law (the constitution) that doesn't allow church bigotry to be codified as law.
Re: SCOTUS poll - Mac-A-Matic - 03-28-2013
$tevie wrote:
I'm unclear on how I feel about what I'm going to say, but it seems like everyone is all for letting individual churches refuse to marry gays but find it outrageous if individual churches refuse to marry interracial couples. I think I am of the opinion that, as wrong as it feels, churches should be allowed to be bigots because of the separation of church and state.
I'm kinda with you on that and I fall more into the "let churches deny same sex marriage" camp than the one that's pushing to force churches into equality.
My thought is that we do have a separation of church and state. And, at the moment, the real fight is to pass laws that allow same sex couples to marry within the state. Get that foot in the door then, as same sex marriage becomes more commonplace, the churches will open up.
But perhaps to fight it all the way today may find enough resistance to keep these people in oppression.
Re: SCOTUS poll - PeterB - 03-28-2013
As usual, $tevie says it better than I could have myself. Yes, let churches do whatever they want. Let them be bigots; since I don't go to your church, why should I be bound by its insistence on defining marriage in its own silly way?