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Re: Florida beaches are open - PeterB - 04-19-2020
Sam3 wrote:
Watching the CNN video, it looked like there was social distancing going on. It sure seemed that that most people were 6 feet apart from each other. The only people close to each other looked like families. Remember, some of the shots were using a long lens shooting far down the beach, this has a habit of compressing items, making them seem close together.
I've seen people closer together in the grocery stores and at Costco.
True, though one of the folks (the young guy), when asked, explicitly stated that they didn't think social distancing was going on ... and watching the video, I'd tend to agree. Also keeping in mind that this virus could be hanging in the air for hours after an infected person exhales it.
Re: Florida beaches are open - Sarcany - 04-19-2020
PeterB wrote: Also keeping in mind that this virus could be hanging in the air for hours after an infected person exhales it.
miley-excited001:Care to revise that statement?
It presently has not one iota of truth it it.
I'm sure that you meant to write something truthful and pithy, rather than paranoid and nonsensical.
Re: Florida beaches are open - PeterB - 04-19-2020
Sarcany wrote:
[quote=PeterB]Also keeping in mind that this virus could be hanging in the air for hours after an infected person exhales it.
miley-excited001:Care to revise that statement?
It presently has not one iota of truth it it.
I'm sure that you meant to write something truthful and pithy, rather than paranoid and nonsensical.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2004973
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11845-020-02218-2
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02786826.2020.1749229
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-0764_article
Re: Florida beaches are open - Sarcany - 04-19-2020
PeterB wrote:
[quote=Sarcany]
[quote=PeterB]Also keeping in mind that this virus could be hanging in the air for hours after an infected person exhales it.
miley-excited001:Care to revise that statement?
It presently has not one iota of truth it it.
I'm sure that you meant to write something truthful and pithy, rather than paranoid and nonsensical.
INSERT COMPLETELY OUT-OF-CONTEXT CITATIONS HERE
I thought better of you.
The subject was walking on the beach.
There is zero evidence that walking outdoors will subject you to COVID-19 idling on the breeze for hours after some random person exhaled on the same path.
You are fear-mongering.
Re: Florida beaches are open - PeterB - 04-19-2020
Sarcany wrote:
[quote=PeterB]
[quote=Sarcany]
[quote=PeterB]Also keeping in mind that this virus could be hanging in the air for hours after an infected person exhales it.
miley-excited001:Care to revise that statement?
It presently has not one iota of truth it it.
I'm sure that you meant to write something truthful and pithy, rather than paranoid and nonsensical.
INSERT COMPLETELY OUT-OF-CONTEXT CITATIONS HERE
I thought better of you.
The subject was walking on the beach.
There is zero evidence that walking outdoors will subject you to COVID-19 idling on the breeze for hours after some random person exhaled on the same path.
You are fear-mongering.
With respect, you are not being fair. All four of the citations I provided, as well as the citations THEY cite, are contextually relevant.
Note that I did NOT say that it was for certain -- nobody knows for sure that this could happen, but there is enough factual, pertinent data to suggest that it is a possibility and therefore should be a concern. (One of the citations I provided, itself cites a paper where they showed aerosol spread of the original SARS virus.) We do not know exactly how long the aerosolized virus persists, and under what conditions, with or without wind, etc. Unless you can prove that it is known FOR SURE that this cannot happen -- let's see your data on that.
Therefore this is not fear-mongering, and I would ask you to please refrain from ad hominem attacks.
Re: Florida beaches are open - Sarcany - 04-19-2020
PeterB wrote: Unless you can prove that it is known FOR SURE that this cannot happen -- let's see your data on that.
Therefore this is not fear-mongering, and I would ask you to please refrain from ad hominem attacks.
There is a magic crystal sitting at the center of the planet.
At a random moment, it will expand to the size of the solar system, and we'll all be dead.
...Unless you can prove for sure that this can't happen and produce solid data to back that up.
Otherwise, any attempt to contradict me is an ad hominem attack.
Re: Florida beaches are open - PeterB - 04-19-2020
Sarcany wrote:
[quote=PeterB]Unless you can prove that it is known FOR SURE that this cannot happen -- let's see your data on that.
Therefore this is not fear-mongering, and I would ask you to please refrain from ad hominem attacks.
There is a magic crystal sitting at the center of the planet.
At a random moment, it will expand to the size of the solar system, and we'll all be dead.
...Unless you can prove for sure that this can't happen and produce solid data to back that up.
Otherwise, any attempt to contradict me is an ad hominem attack.
No, that is not what I said; please do not put words in my mouth. You accused me of fear-mongering; that accusation does not follow from anything I posted in this thread -- where everything I posted was based in published articles. If you wish to continue this further, I would suggest we take it to PM.
Re: Florida beaches are open - Sarcany - 04-19-2020
PeterB wrote:
[quote=Sarcany]
[quote=PeterB]Unless you can prove that it is known FOR SURE that this cannot happen -- let's see your data on that.
Therefore this is not fear-mongering, and I would ask you to please refrain from ad hominem attacks.
There is a magic crystal sitting at the center of the planet.
At a random moment, it will expand to the size of the solar system, and we'll all be dead.
...Unless you can prove for sure that this can't happen and produce solid data to back that up.
Otherwise, any attempt to contradict me is an ad hominem attack.
No, that is not what I said; please do not put words in my mouth. You accused me of fear-mongering; that accusation does not follow from anything I posted in this thread -- where everything I posted was based in published articles. If you wish to continue this further, I would suggest we take it to PM.
Nothing that you alleged was supported by anything that you cited.
The virus can be transmitted as an airborne aerosol, but there has been no study on the transmissability of the virus in the open air, nor its endurance when wafting on the wind. If it can persist on a draft of air, it is not likely to persist "for hours after an infected person exhales it."
You pushed FUD. You're trying to scare people with nonsense.
You did something wrong and were called on it.
Admit it and move on or with your life, or deny it and move on. Either is fine. But there's no defending it.
You are otherwise a respected member of the forum and someone whose opinions I generally respect, but you blew it here.
If you'd like to stop the discussion on the matter, that's fine with me. I don't see any benefit to weighing teapot theories with you over PMs.
Re: Florida beaches are open - PeterB - 04-19-2020
Sarcany wrote:
[quote=PeterB]
[quote=Sarcany]
[quote=PeterB]Unless you can prove that it is known FOR SURE that this cannot happen -- let's see your data on that.
Therefore this is not fear-mongering, and I would ask you to please refrain from ad hominem attacks.
There is a magic crystal sitting at the center of the planet.
At a random moment, it will expand to the size of the solar system, and we'll all be dead.
...Unless you can prove for sure that this can't happen and produce solid data to back that up.
Otherwise, any attempt to contradict me is an ad hominem attack.
No, that is not what I said; please do not put words in my mouth. You accused me of fear-mongering; that accusation does not follow from anything I posted in this thread -- where everything I posted was based in published articles. If you wish to continue this further, I would suggest we take it to PM.
Nothing that you alleged was supported by anything that you cited.
The virus can be transmitted as an airborne aerosol, but there has been no study on the transmissability of the virus in the open air, nor its endurance when wafting on the wind. If it can persist on a draft of air, it is not likely to persist "for hours after an infected person exhales it."
You pushed FUD. You're trying to scare people with nonsense.
You did something wrong and were called on it.
Admit it and move on or with your life, or deny it and move on. Either is fine. But there's no defending it.
You are otherwise a respected member of the forum and someone whose opinions I generally respect, but you blew it here.
If you'd like to stop the discussion on the matter, that's fine with me. I don't see any benefit to weighing teapot theories with you over PMs.
I'm sorry, but I just have to say: what rubbish. Nothing you've said has made any sense to me whatsoever -- I didn't "[blow] it here", nor was I pushing FUD (your words, not mine), nor did I do anything wrong "and was called on it" (again, your words), nor is it correct to say that I can't defend it -- I gave verifiable, published citations, which you have yet to do. (One of the citations I gave, you must not have actually read, because it deals with apparent transmission through an air conditioning system-- exactly what you were referring to, transmissibility of the virus in the open air, admittedly indoors rather than outdoors, but still. Another article was specifically dealing with traceable transmission of the original SARS virus through aerosol spread. I don't know what else you want. Nobody is going to do a study in the "open air" on a beach to prove that it can be transmitted that way. Obviously there are a ton of unknowns with this virus, I never claimed that it IS transmitted in the open air, only that it COULD be... all the journal articles I have read so far have backed up that possibility, I have yet to find one that didn't.)
I am not interested in pursuing this any further and that's why I suggested that if you wish to continue discussing, it be by PM. Good luck to you.
Re: Florida beaches are open - Sarcany - 04-20-2020
PeterB wrote: only that it COULD be...
When you feel like you've vested a lot of resources into developing some expertise on a subject, realizing that you've said/written something wrong can lead to some emotional turmoil and having it pointed out publicly can seem like an assault.
I've been there, myself. It's a sign that you need to take a break from the forum.
You've strongly implied that going outdoors and breathing the air outside is a life-threatening proposition because some random plague-carrier could have infected that air hours ago.
My counter-proposal is that you take a walk outside and clear your head.