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Re: Does Baseball Hall of Fame have character requirements for eligibility? - rjmacs - 01-28-2021
At least this "bunch of White boys" takes note of, and disapproves of, the [ongoing and active] transphobic and Islamophobic spoutings of jerks like Curt Schilling.
You're going to tell me the ESPYs aren't going to make a stink about that same thing? ESPN fired Schilling for being an ass, and he didn't win the only ESPY he was nominated for in 2002.
Re: Does Baseball Hall of Fame have character requirements for eligibility? - vision63 - 01-28-2021
rjmacs wrote:
At least this "bunch of White boys" takes note of, and disapproves of, the [ongoing and active] transphobic and Islamophobic spoutings of jerks like Curt Schilling.
You're going to tell me the ESPYs aren't going to make a stink about that same thing? ESPN fired Schilling for being an ass, and he didn't win the only ESPY he was nominated for in 2002.
That has nothing to do with pitching the ball. That's one of a hundred reasons baseball is dying in popularity. You can't even get Black Americans to play the sport anymore (a handful). They were once 30% of the game with all that stodginess and judgemental bs. They're not kicking out any old racists from the Hall. But you give them credit for denying Schilling for being an ass. They're just being politically expedient. They don't care about what he did. NOBODY dislikes Schilling more than me. That's a fact.
Re: Does Baseball Hall of Fame have character requirements for eligibility? - rjmacs - 01-28-2021
I'm not sure I follow your logic about Black Americans not playing baseball anymore as a result of political awareness/activism on the part of sports writers. Please explain how this has led to the downfall of baseball, more than the fact that the sport is slow, low-scoring, and largely a pitcher's game (which, to non-baseball-heads, makes for pretty boring watching).
Also, there's nothing wrong with starting to do the right thing at any time, regardless of how your predecessors acted. If your professional antecedents were racist, don't be racist. Consistency is not as important as equity.
Re: Does Baseball Hall of Fame have character requirements for eligibility? - macphanatic - 01-28-2021
Dennis S wrote:
[quote=vision63]
[quote=rjmacs]
Curt Schilling is a confirmed bigot. Go ahead and give him more honors - it will only diminish what the HoF means to most Americans.
The Hall of Fame should "only" mean the best of the best. Period. Otherwise, what's the point? There isn't any other point. Really, anyone that feels otherwise, needs to acknowledge that they don't care about baseball.
Amen. And this applies doubly to that travesty called the "Rock and Roll Hall of Fame."
R&R HoF is a joke. I agree with admitting those that predated R&R that significantly influenced R&R. Admitting Pop Stars is a freaking joke, especially when some very influential performers from the 60's and 70's haven't been admitted yet.
As for Baseball HoF, players that were caught using steroids, cheating or violating ethics shouldn't be inducted IMO. Admittance should be limited to those that had stellar careers or otherwise made exceptional contributions to the game.
Re: Does Baseball Hall of Fame have character requirements for eligibility? - vision63 - 01-28-2021
rjmacs wrote:
I'm not sure I follow your logic about Black Americans not playing baseball anymore as a result of political awareness/activism on the part of sports writers. Please explain how this has led to the downfall of baseball, more than the fact that the sport is slow, low-scoring, and largely a pitcher's game (which, to non-baseball-heads, makes for pretty boring watching).
Also, there's nothing wrong with starting to do the right thing at any time, regardless of how your predecessors acted. If your professional antecedents were racist, don't be racist. Consistency is not as important as equity.
They'd rather play Football and Basketball because baseball is too stodgy. Only recently have they allowed the players to have fun. In the Dominican, Cuba etc, those players talk a bunch of junk, flip their bats and have a bunch of fun. As soon as they get to the majors, then it's no, you gotta respect the game for no freaking reason at all.
The Tampa Bay Rays, who were ridiculously pressured to change their name from being The Devil Rays, can barely get a couple of thousand fans to come to their world series caliber team's games. They're thinking about splitting the season in Montreal. That's a bunch of teams now.
Only the fans of the two teams watch the World Series. Virtually every tv will be watching the Super bowl. Players want to have fun and not be judged about nonsensical things. The NFL didn't even used to let the players spike the ball after touchdowns. THEY CHANGED THE RULES. They wanted to remain popular.
When you have MLB baseball stopping fun activities, and denying badasses access to the Hall, they become less interested in that sport.
MLB loses most battles for two sport athletes despite paying way more money. Kyler Murray took the QB job for the Cardinals over the A's with their $400,000 signing bonus. Fortunately Mookie Betts chose baseball. Now he makes nearly half a billion dollars.
Check this out. Think about that stat. You know what that makes him? That makes him our daddy. One of the greatest ever to suit up. But if he broke one of MLB's precious non-rules, he wouldn't have gotten into the Hall. The best sport of them all is dying.
Re: Does Baseball Hall of Fame have character requirements for eligibility? - vision63 - 01-28-2021
macphanatic wrote:
[quote=Dennis S]
[quote=vision63]
[quote=rjmacs]
Curt Schilling is a confirmed bigot. Go ahead and give him more honors - it will only diminish what the HoF means to most Americans.
The Hall of Fame should "only" mean the best of the best. Period. Otherwise, what's the point? There isn't any other point. Really, anyone that feels otherwise, needs to acknowledge that they don't care about baseball.
Amen. And this applies doubly to that travesty called the "Rock and Roll Hall of Fame."
R&R HoF is a joke. I agree with admitting those that predated R&R that significantly influenced R&R. Admitting Pop Stars is a freaking joke, especially when some very influential performers from the 60's and 70's haven't been admitted yet.
As for Baseball HoF, players that were caught using steroids, cheating or violating ethics shouldn't be inducted IMO. Admittance should be limited to those that had stellar careers or otherwise made exceptional contributions to the game.
My main point is "none" of these guys were "caught" doing steroids. There were no rules against it until 2003, when they codified it. All these guys got in trouble for not acknowledging it when congress had hearings. And Bonds was "never" aware that what he was taking was steroids. Balco lied to him. They were never in trouble for taking steroids. You can't apply a rule after the fact then try to enforce it. That's not fair.
And I think that anybody that qualifies as a "badass" should be considered for any kind hall. We should be debating the definition of "badass." robfilms made a good argument against Schilling earlier in this thread.
Re: Does Baseball Hall of Fame have character requirements for eligibility? - Dennis S - 01-29-2021
"Morals clause" is what I had in mind when I made the OP.
Re: Does Baseball Hall of Fame have character requirements for eligibility? - vision63 - 01-29-2021
Dennis S wrote:
"Morals clause" is what I had in mind when I made the OP.
I hear you. But then, who decides what's moral? They're not trying to kick anyone already in there out (cept' for Shoeless Joe Jackson). The should at least have a Misfit's Hall.
Re: Does Baseball Hall of Fame have character requirements for eligibility? - rjmacs - 01-29-2021
I'll bow out. I realize there are strong personal feelings about this, but I don't see any actual evidence, just concretized opinions.
Re: Does Baseball Hall of Fame have character requirements for eligibility? - vision63 - 01-30-2021
rjmacs wrote:
I'll bow out. I realize there are strong personal feelings about this, but I don't see any actual evidence, just concretized opinions.
I just bring straight facts.
The worst part is that people that don't care even slightly about baseball weighs in. The Dodgers play 162 games a year. I never miss a single one of them. I see most Oakland A's games and other teams's games too.
I don't get how people that never watch a game, never read a box score, never even think about baseball, open their mouths to talk about it.