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Re: Here' a story I bet the rightwingers will find funny - Black - 02-08-2009
Doc wrote:
[quote=Black]
How can you let someone to the patient's bedside without effectively sharing information about that person's condition?
By keeping your mouth shut and not handing over the patient's chart.
HIPAA protects the paperwork, not the corpus.
('Just noticed I had the acronym wrong. Oops.)
I'm unable to find anything online to back up myself and kj about HIPPA, so, who knows. Can you do better, doc?
I need a kick in the pants for spending a warm sunny February day searching the internet for HIPPAA info. Gotta go check out a car for my mom . . .
Re: Here' a story I bet the rightwingers will find funny - Doc - 02-08-2009
Black wrote:
I'm unable to find anything online to back up myself and kj about HIPPA, so, who knows. Can you do better, doc?
http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/hipaa/understanding/consumers/index.html
Re: Here' a story I bet the rightwingers will find funny - kj - 02-08-2009
I think it protects your medical information. I don't think it matters whether it's written, spoken, or farted, for that matter. If visitation by a particular person could result in private information becoming public, it's hipaa, as far as I understand. Although I know corpus means "body", I'm not familiar with your usage, so maybe I'm misunderstanding. kj.
Re: Here' a story I bet the rightwingers will find funny - swampy - 02-08-2009
Doc, I understand about the intention of the HIPPA law, but many times it is left to nurses, staff and doctors to interpret the law and with that I guess it can become chaotic.
I think KJ was right about "Brain-dead policy and brain-dead procedure (application) of said policy, all due to over-litigation and over-fear of litigation. kj.
I found these articles of interest. Some very strange interpretations of the HIPPA law.
"Mr. Rothstein, one of Hipaa’s harshest critics, has led years of hearings across the country. Transcripts of those hearings, and accounts from hospital administrators, patient advocates, lawyers, family members, and law enforcement officials offer an anthology of Hipaa misinterpretations, some alarming, some annoying:
¶Birthday parties in nursing homes in New York and Arizona have been canceled for fear that revealing a resident’s date of birth could be a violation.
¶Patients were assigned code names in doctor’s waiting rooms — say, “Zebra” for a child in Newton, Mass., or “Elvis” for an adult in Kansas City, Mo. — so they could be summoned without identification.
¶Nurses in an emergency room at St. Elizabeth Health Center in Youngstown, Ohio, refused to telephone parents of ailing students themselves, insisting a friend do it, for fear of passing out confidential information, the hospital’s patient advocate said.
¶State health departments throughout the country have been slowed in their efforts to create immunization registries for children, according to Dr. James J. Gibson, the director of disease control in South Carolina, because information from doctors no longer flows freely. "
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/03/health/policy/03hipaa.html?_r=1&hp
Also this which is really rediculous about the horses if you read the entire short article.
A few months ago I was stuck in a HIPAA nightmare when my mother, who is over 700 miles away from me, was rushed to the hospital for a medical emergency. Each day I called and got an update. That is until she was discharged early. When I called the hospital and was told that she had been discharged, they would not tell me where she had been discharged to since that would violate HIPAA regulations. It did not matter that they had told me that she HAD been discharged and that I was speaking to a nurse about her condition every day. Now I could not find out anything because they had no way of proving I was indeed her son.
I was relating this story to the mother of one of my daughter's friends, who happens to be a teaching veterinarian in the Large Animal Clinic at the University of Georgia's College of Veterinary Medicine. As she was laughing with me about the absurdity of the situation, she told me that they apply HIPAA regulations to their 'patients', especially horses.
http://www.controlscaddy.com/A55A69/bccaddyblog.nsf/plinks/CBYE-6394CW
Re: Here' a story I bet the rightwingers will find funny - Doc - 02-08-2009
...None of which has to do with visitation rights.
Re: Here' a story I bet the rightwingers will find funny - kj - 02-08-2009
Doc wrote:
...None of which has to do with visitation rights.
Hipaa isn't supposed to exhaustively detail every conceivable way information can be mishandled. That's up to those trying to follow Hipaa. Hipaa gives you the goal, and it's up to practitioners to figure out how to get there. Of course, in a field that values people who are anal, you get people going overboard. kj.
Re: Here' a story I bet the rightwingers will find funny - Doc - 02-08-2009
kj wrote:
[quote=Doc]
...None of which has to do with visitation rights.
Hipaa isn't supposed to exhaustively detail every conceivable way information can be mishandled. That's up to those trying to follow Hipaa. Hipaa gives you the goal, and it's up to practitioners to figure out how to get there. Of course, in a field that values people who are anal, you get people going overboard. kj.
I challenge you to find a single documented case where family was denied visitation rights explicitly due to HIPAA and only HIPAA.
Re: Here' a story I bet the rightwingers will find funny - kj - 02-08-2009
Doc wrote:
[quote=kj]
[quote=Doc]
...None of which has to do with visitation rights.
Hipaa isn't supposed to exhaustively detail every conceivable way information can be mishandled. That's up to those trying to follow Hipaa. Hipaa gives you the goal, and it's up to practitioners to figure out how to get there. Of course, in a field that values people who are anal, you get people going overboard. kj.
I challenge you to find a single documented case where family was denied visitation rights explicitly due to HIPAA and only HIPAA.
Where the heck would you find documented cases of stuff like that? It would be a violation of hipaa! The point is that you can do anything you want in the name of hipaa, just so you can come up with some half-assed scenario. If you can't imagine visitation being one of those scenarios, that's fine, but I sure can. kj.
Re: Here' a story I bet the rightwingers will find funny - swampy - 02-08-2009
Well, I couldn't find a specific online reference to visitation rights, Doc. But how do you account for J.'s twin not being allowed to see her mother until she proves who she is? Even when she's dealing with the same facility?
The visitation issue aside, I think where HIPPA and families are concerned there are a number of over zealous medical practitioners. Try googling "I couldn't visit my mother in the hospital HIPPA".
Re: Here' a story I bet the rightwingers will find funny - OWC Jamie - 02-08-2009
What right wingers would probably find funny would be the hypocracy of all those Obama Democrats in California not supporting proposition 8.