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Re: Hidden health "care" reforms in "Stimulus" bill - Gutenberg - 02-10-2009
Here is the actual language in the bill.
This is from Media Matters. It is a pretty thorough debunking of what McCaughey wrote.
"(b) Purpose-- The National Coordinator shall perform the duties under subsection © in a manner consistent with the development of a nationwide health information technology infrastructure that allows for the electronic use and exchange of information and that--
"(1) ensures that each patient's health information is secure and protected, in accordance with applicable law;
"(2) improves health care quality, reduces medical errors, reduces health disparities, and advances the delivery of patient-centered medical care;
"(3) reduces health care costs resulting from inefficiency, medical errors, inappropriate care, duplicative care, and incomplete information;
"(4) provides appropriate information to help guide medical decisions at the time and place of care;
"(5) ensures the inclusion of meaningful public input in such development of such infrastructure;
"(6) improves the coordination of care and information among hospitals, laboratories, physician offices, and other entities through an effective infrastructure for the secure and authorized exchange of health care information;
"(7) improves public health activities and facilitates the early identification and rapid response to public health threats and emergencies, including bioterror events and infectious disease outbreaks;
"(8) facilitates health and clinical research and health care quality;
"(9) promotes prevention of chronic diseases;
"(10) promotes a more effective marketplace, greater competition, greater systems analysis, increased consumer choice, and improved outcomes in health care services; and
"(11) improves efforts to reduce health disparities.
Linky: http://mediamatters.org/items/200902100001?f=h_latest
The link also shows that while Bloomberg got the ball rolling and the drums beating, it was our esteemed colleague Rush Limbaugh who pumped up the volume exponentially.
Edit: to add emphasis to the applicable paragraph.
Re: Hidden health "care" reforms in "Stimulus" bill - Mac1337 - 02-10-2009
Is there a National Coordinator in the bill to balance our checking accounts too? Here is what it could accomplish,
Reduces costs resulting from inefficiency, accounting errors, inappropriate reporting, duplicative charges, and incomplete information;
Who would be against that?
Re: Hidden health "care" reforms in "Stimulus" bill - john dough - 02-10-2009
Dakota wrote:
[quote=john dough]
but the BOTTOM LINE is that we need to correct the DISASTROUS course we are headed on, and the republicans, who got us into this mess, are doing no good for this country.
Doesn't sound like a "middle of the road" talk to me. Have something bad to say about Democrats by any chance? That doesn't surprise me. Liberals routinely call themselves "moderate" and "undecided" but you listen to them and it won't be long before you know who they are.
I lived in the San Francisco Bay Area most of my life (not currently) and yes, I had PLENTY to say about "democrats" there. Does that surprise you? I consider myself 60%/40%, left leaning. For as upset I am with people on the left for spending time debating whether or not to make the area a nuclear free zone or for not having a spine when dealing with Bush, I am DOUBLY critical of the right, as they held the real power for most of Bush's term and they led us down the path we are on. Spin this however you want, but to a person, all of my friends/colleagues that are STAUNCH republicans could not stand Bush and his lack of fiscal responsibility. My accountant would not vote Dem if you held a gun to his head, yet would spit nails when talking about all the money he gave away to his friends, err...spent on the war.
It was always insulting when I heard that, during Bush, to disagree with the president was somehow un-American. Yet you get people making statements like Rep. Pete Sessions of Texas about "fighting like the Taliban":
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/05/sessions-gop-insurgency/
Would you defend his sentiments?
Re: Hidden health "care" reforms in "Stimulus" bill - swampy - 02-10-2009
"(4) provides appropriate information to help guide medical decisions at the time and place of care;"
So the government is going to tell my doctor what the "appropriate" is for my current illness. The "help guide" is another form of the government paying you a visit and saying "We are here to help you".
Re: Hidden health "care" reforms in "Stimulus" bill - Gutenberg - 02-10-2009
No, the phrase says that the medical decisions will be made at the time and place of care.
The government is not there at the time and place of care.
Your doctor, or your nurse practitioner, and you are.
Another DeliberatelyDense™ moment from our learned friend swampy.
Re: Hidden health "care" reforms in "Stimulus" bill - swampy - 02-10-2009
Anything is possible when the government has all your health information in their big computer in the sky and they control the purse strings. You go visit your doctor, his office people key in your diagnosis and his recommended treatment and it all gets shoved up to the government bureaucrats. Then then send your doctor email saying...
"The treatment is too agressive. We don't feel, based on your patient's age, that the treatment is cost effective. we direct you to stop all treatment. If you don't you will be penalized under Code 4 Section 6, failure to obey."
And you rail about Bush and Cheney's misuse of power? My fear is that you ain't seen nothing yet.
Re: Hidden health "care" reforms in "Stimulus" bill - davester - 02-10-2009
Total made-up BS. You are arguing with a fantasy that exists only inside your head, swampy.
Re: Hidden health "care" reforms in "Stimulus" bill - Blurb - 02-11-2009
Swampy, that scenario already exists, but you are confusing the government with the insurance companies (all "for profit", tho some play the game saying they are non profit, but aren't). Your argument has no basis in reality. It is simply more fear-mongering. The insurance companies constantly deny services and payments in an effort to stall, hoping the uninformed will accept their denial and not fight. I waste loads of time every day fighting these denials for medications or tests needed, and have for the past more than 20 years. And the scary scenario described above of Canadian healthcare IS already here in the US, and has been for some time. My patients usually will be assigned a hallway ER site as an inpatient bed, rather than be taken to a room when they are admitted. Been going on for years.
BTW, I am not a democrat nor a republican. I've been an independent voter for all my life. FWIW, I think BOTH the dems and the repubs are screwed up and the partisan posturing has got to stop. It is taking us in circles. And nothing is getting accomplished.
Re: Hidden health "care" reforms in "Stimulus" bill - RgrF - 02-11-2009
davester wrote:
Total made-up BS. You are arguing with a fantasy that exists only inside your head, swampy.
That stick seems appropriately placed when addressing a swampy post.:gears:
Re: Hidden health "care" reforms in "Stimulus" bill - MacManMaz - 02-11-2009
OK, last word maybe.
What jobs does this create and why is it in the "stimulus" bill?