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Re: Prop 8 ruled unconstitutional - davester - 02-08-2012
There is absolutely zero difference between the issues in the Loving decision and the issues surrounding proposition 8. Both cases involved the majority wanting to withold rights from a minority who they didn't approve of.
If you don't like the idea of gay marriage, then don't have one.
Re: Prop 8 ruled unconstitutional - Lux Interior - 02-08-2012
Trouble wrote:
No reason to get frustrated or angry.
You always accuse people who disagree with you of being angry at some point. I assume it's after you walk away from they keyboard and punch a hole in the wall.
Re: Prop 8 ruled unconstitutional - Marc Anthony - 02-08-2012
Trouble wrote:
Your prejudice prevents you from thinking clearly.
The basis for your own thinking isn't clear or unprejudiced at all; it's rooted in hatred instilled by centuries-old religious beliefs. No legitimate, non-religious reason exists to deny gay people access to marriage, which is sort of the crux of the ruling.
Re: Prop 8 ruled unconstitutional - Trouble - 02-08-2012
Lux Interior wrote:
[quote=Trouble]
No reason to get frustrated or angry.
You always accuse people who disagree with you of being angry at some point. I assume it's after you walk away from they keyboard and punch a hole in the wall.
Well, if I always do it then it certainly is a reasonable expectation. Are you serious? You are picking that nit? I'd ask for a cite, but you aren't going to provide one. I don't blame you. It wouldn't be worth the time or trouble. Grace may do it, but last time she did a wide grab of everything and at least half the few replies weren't related.
Re: Prop 8 ruled unconstitutional - Trouble - 02-08-2012
Marc Anthony wrote:
[quote=Trouble]
Your prejudice prevents you from thinking clearly.
The basis for your own thinking isn't clear or unprejudiced at all; it's rooted in hatred instilled by centuries-old religious beliefs. No legitimate, non-religious reason exists to deny gay people access to marriage, which is sort of the crux of the ruling.
You have no idea the basis for my thinking. Grace on the other hand has stated hers. Clearly. Multiple times. But if you want go the "Grace route" and project your own prejudices about what and why someone thinks a certain way, go for it. I'll admit it certainly makes demonizing other people much easier.
Re: Prop 8 ruled unconstitutional - Trouble - 02-08-2012
davester wrote:
There is absolutely zero difference between the issues in the Loving decision and the issues surrounding proposition 8. Both cases involved the majority wanting to withold rights from a minority who they didn't approve of.
If you don't like the idea of gay marriage, then don't have one.
Except that one case involved a man and a woman and one case doesn't. Other than that little tiny insignificant detail, which btw the building block of society is built upon, they are the exact same.
Re: Prop 8 ruled unconstitutional - Trouble - 02-08-2012
Grace62 wrote:
Here's what Hon. Stephen Reinhardt of the Ninth Circuit had to say in his decision this week about the constitutionality of Prop 8:
So you are quoting an opinion that agrees with your own? Once more, you miss the point.
Re: Prop 8 ruled unconstitutional - Trouble - 02-08-2012
should have hit edit.
Re: Prop 8 ruled unconstitutional - Grace62 - 02-08-2012
which btw the building block of society is built upon
I agree that marriage is a building block upon which society is built upon, on, which, upon.
Anyway, that's EXACTLY why gay couples should be allowed to marry. To enjoy those same rights and responsibilities, and for the benefit of society as a whole.
Re: Prop 8 ruled unconstitutional - davester - 02-08-2012
Trouble wrote:
[quote=davester]
There is absolutely zero difference between the issues in the Loving decision and the issues surrounding proposition 8. Both cases involved the majority wanting to withold rights from a minority who they didn't approve of.
If you don't like the idea of gay marriage, then don't have one.
Except that one case involved a man and a woman and one case doesn't.
Actually, one case involved same-race vs different-race marriage, and one case involved same-sex vs different-sex marriage, and both cases involved whether the majority could withhold rights from people based purely on their own personal views regarding marriage. The parallels between the cases are remarkably similar, right down to the arguments made by the proponents and opponents.
Trouble wrote: Other than that little tiny insignificant detail, which btw the building block of society is built upon, they are the exact same.
I agree with you except for the text in red, which is nothing more than a vague opinion purporting some kind of undefined superiority of different-sex marriages in society and thus irrelevant to any meaningful discussion.