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Re: I wonder what they'll do to Joe The Shoe Thrower - vision63 - 12-15-2008
deckeda wrote:
[quote=swampy]
Just a little historical perspective. Bush did not 'act alone' or for 'personal gain'. It's not like Iraq had not been warned.
The U.N, like our Congress, acted on the junk intel they were fed, remember? Go ask Colin Powell if he would again stand there in front of the board showing the trucks loaded with who-knows-what now that he knows it was al B.S.
He knew is was B.S. when he was saying it. He thought he was doing his job. That's no excuse for anyone. There was enough real intelligence that confirmed that there were "no" weapons of mass destruction to be found. Enough to not invade. They wanted to invade no matter what and they did. Trucks and pipes. That's not intelligent enough to be intelligence.
Re: I wonder what they'll do to Joe The Shoe Thrower - Mac1337 - 12-15-2008
vision63 wrote:
[quote=deckeda]
[quote=swampy]
Just a little historical perspective. Bush did not 'act alone' or for 'personal gain'. It's not like Iraq had not been warned.
The U.N, like our Congress, acted on the junk intel they were fed, remember? Go ask Colin Powell if he would again stand there in front of the board showing the trucks loaded with who-knows-what now that he knows it was al B.S.
He knew is was B.S. when he was saying it. He thought he was doing his job. That's no excuse for anyone. There was enough real intelligence that confirmed that there were "no" weapons of mass destruction to be found. Enough to not invade. They wanted to invade no matter what and they did. Trucks and pipes. That's not intelligent enough to be intelligence.
There was no proof that Afghanistan had anything to do with 9/11 at the time we invaded them. Even if they did, according to you we must have first taken it up with the UN. You guys can't support the Afghan campaign and then take the high road and claim we can't go around the world and invade countries we don't like or must ask the UN first. Both Iraq and Afghanistan were invasions of sovereign countries.
Re: I wonder what they'll do to Joe The Shoe Thrower - deckeda - 12-15-2008
swampy wrote:
Deckeda... Everybody got suckered by the same junk intel, remember? Or are you saying that only France, Russia and China had the correct intel?
France, Russia and China had the correct intel but couldn't persuade the U.N. to stay out; their better-intel wasn't helping. We fed the U.N. our crap and they eventually, despite common-sense objections, took it --- as has been said 100 times, we HAD better intel but held it back. It was held back from media and from Congress. It's only "later" it came out. Truth has a way of doing that.
Re: I wonder what they'll do to Joe The Shoe Thrower - lafinfil - 12-15-2008
George--->
He knew it was bogus going in and in fact in an interview said that he insisted that George "Slam Dunk" Tenant
sit behind him during the speech so his face would be on camera too. He knew he was taking the fall.
"I'm the one who presented it on behalf of the United States to the world," Mr. Powell told Barbara Walters of ABC News,
adding that the presentation "will always be a part of my record."
Asked by Ms. Walters how painful this was for him, Mr. Powell replied: "It was painful. It's painful now."
Asked further how he felt upon learning that he had been misled about the accuracy of intelligence on which he relied,
Mr. Powell said, "Terrible." He added that it was "devastating" to learn later that some
intelligence agents knew the information he had was unreliable but did not speak up.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/09/politics/09powell.html
Re: I wonder what they'll do to Joe The Shoe Thrower - Black Landlord - 12-15-2008
billb wrote:
He hasn't bombed an aspirin factory yet.
The Iraqi with the shoe was a good shot.
Would have hammered Bush square in the nose if he hadn't moved.
Drunks don't react that fast.
I'd have thought security would have moved a little faster.
Bush is rather used to one-fingered salutes by now Ho. He doesn't live all cozed up in a bode in Chicago. A shoe thrower was humor for the humorless.
I think I like you better when you're too a-skeered to commit to a clear position on anything billb (i.e. the other 99% of the time).
Re: I wonder what they'll do to Joe The Shoe Thrower - pixelzombie - 12-16-2008
Acer wrote:
Would this reporter have chucked his shoe at Saddam if he had the chance? What would have happened to him after that?
Just askin'...
only if he had a death wish, Saddam was known for torturing and killing his own family that he thought they were against him...
Re: I wonder what they'll do to Joe The Shoe Thrower - DaviDC. - 12-16-2008
I heard on the news tonight that many Iraqis think Joe The Shoe Thrower should stay in jail because he missed.
Re: I wonder what they'll do to Joe The Shoe Thrower - kap - 12-16-2008
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Re: I wonder what they'll do to Joe The Shoe Thrower - vision63 - 12-16-2008
Dakota wrote:
[quote=vision63]
[quote=deckeda]
[quote=swampy]
Just a little historical perspective. Bush did not 'act alone' or for 'personal gain'. It's not like Iraq had not been warned.
The U.N, like our Congress, acted on the junk intel they were fed, remember? Go ask Colin Powell if he would again stand there in front of the board showing the trucks loaded with who-knows-what now that he knows it was al B.S.
He knew is was B.S. when he was saying it. He thought he was doing his job. That's no excuse for anyone. There was enough real intelligence that confirmed that there were "no" weapons of mass destruction to be found. Enough to not invade. They wanted to invade no matter what and they did. Trucks and pipes. That's not intelligent enough to be intelligence.
There was no proof that Afghanistan had anything to do with 9/11 at the time we invaded them. Even if they did, according to you we must have first taken it up with the UN. You guys can't support the Afghan campaign and then take the high road and claim we can't go around the world and invade countries we don't like or must ask the UN first. Both Iraq and Afghanistan were invasions of sovereign countries.
I agree. But I didn't support the invasion of Afghanistan and recall it as one of the most tense times of my life. I knew the country was going to "do" something but I felt it was going to be premature and not tactical at all. And I didn't trust the administration to keep the conflict contained to what was necessary. It ended up being an opportunity for regime-change. Then why stop there?
Re: I wonder what they'll do to Joe The Shoe Thrower - OWC Jamie - 12-16-2008
Black Landlord wrote:
[quote=billb]
He hasn't bombed an aspirin factory yet.
The Iraqi with the shoe was a good shot.
Would have hammered Bush square in the nose if he hadn't moved.
Drunks don't react that fast.
I'd have thought security would have moved a little faster.
Bush is rather used to one-fingered salutes by now Ho. He doesn't live all cozed up in a bode in Chicago. A shoe thrower was humor for the humorless.
I think I like you better when you're too a-skeered to commit to a clear position on anything billb (i.e. the other 99% of the time).
At the end of the day it doesn't matter.
Those not seeing the forest for the trees makes me sad.
Try to think outside the box. You have to abandon the securities, though.