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Re: Prop 8 ruled unconstitutional - hal - 02-08-2012
This is exactly why the backers of Prop 8 will not be able to win this fight. When asked to give reasons to support the prop WITHOUT bringing religion into the discussion, the best they can do is to say that this is the way it's always been.
Re: Prop 8 ruled unconstitutional - Grace62 - 02-08-2012
http://www.protectmarriage.com/why-marriage-matters
This is the group that brought Prop 8 to the ballot, and that continues to defend it in court. We all recall that they used deceptive advertising and confusing language in pushing Prop 8, and received major cash infusions from out of state religious groups such as the LDS church.
They use the term "traditional marriage" to mean one man, one woman, and view same-sex marriage as somehow detrimental to those "traditional marriages" though they fail to explain how.
They also have tried to show, and failed, that children raised by same-sex parents are harmed by that family arrangement.
Bottom line, they view gay civil rights as some sort of threat to society, though they are unable to show harmful outcomes of gay marriage, nor how limiting marriage to opposite sex couples is somehow better for society. Most of their arguments hinge on a disdain for the "gay lifestyle."
But you have to give them points for trying and in fact succeeding in getting discriminatory laws passed. So far they are not doing well in court, when faced with the issue of the Constitution, so we'll see how it goes.
Since the Prop 8 battle started, public opinion in the US continues to move in the direction of acceptance of same sex marriage. I think the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell was a factor too.
"A Washington Post/ABC News poll in March showed 53 percent of Americans said same-sex marriage should be legal, and 51 percent said the same thing in a CNN Poll released in April 2011."
By comparison, a 1996 Gallup found that 68 percent of Americans were opposed to same-sex marriage, a figure that has trended downward ever since."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/21/us-gay-marriage-poll-idUSTRE74K0B520110521
Also, as we did in the civil rights battles of the 60's, our country faces significant regional divides on this issue: This poll is from 2008, and numbers have moved in favor of gay marriage since then, but it is illustrative of the regional and generational divides:
Re: Prop 8 ruled unconstitutional - Kiva - 02-09-2012
Re: Prop 8 ruled unconstitutional - Grace62 - 02-09-2012
Here's what a Republican lawmaker from a conservative part of Washington state, Rep. Maureen Walsh of Walla Walla, said about her support for our gay marriage bill. Rep. Walsh is a widow.
"In those wonderful 23 years together with my husband, what I miss the most is the companionship and the bond with another human being. It seems almost cruel to me to vote to deny that to someone else."
Re: Prop 8 ruled unconstitutional - Seacrest - 02-09-2012
Gay marriage has been ruining opposite marriage all over the country for eight years.
Just ask Kris Humphries.
Re: Prop 8 ruled unconstitutional - Greg - 02-09-2012
You can't have one word mean two different things; that's just not how English works!
Re: Prop 8 ruled unconstitutional - Seacrest - 02-09-2012
Greg wrote:
You can't have one word mean two different things; that's just not how English works!
Your write.
Eye no.
Re: Prop 8 ruled unconstitutional - August West - 02-09-2012
After reading the spurious objections raised in the thread, I have to say that davester is a model for the benefits of immigration, particularly when compared to the absolute ignorance displayed in the arguments of a person who, I assume, is a natural born citizen.
Re: Prop 8 ruled unconstitutional - Trouble - 02-09-2012
hal wrote:
This is exactly why the backers of Prop 8 will not be able to win this fight. When asked to give reasons to support the prop WITHOUT bringing religion into the discussion, the best they can do is to say that this is the way it's always been.
Backers of Prop don't need to give reasons. Everyone else here is more that willing to talk for them.
Re: Prop 8 ruled unconstitutional - Trouble - 02-09-2012
Grace62 wrote:
Here's what a Republican lawmaker from a conservative part of Washington state, Rep. Maureen Walsh of Walla Walla, said about her support for our gay marriage bill. Rep. Walsh is a widow.
"In those wonderful 23 years together with my husband, what I miss the most is the companionship and the bond with another human being. It seems almost cruel to me to vote to deny that to someone else."
We certainly should pass all laws that Rep. Walsh supports. As a matter of fact, that should be the only prerequisite.