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Re: The worst civil liberties president in US history?.... - max - 11-05-2012
rjmacs wrote:
You don't know the first thing about fascism...... But the fact that Naomi Wolf doesn't understand what fascism is doesn't mean that your failure to know what it is any less incorrect.
I know, I know, nobody but you, knows fascism.
If it interferes with some simplified for simpletons, definition of fascism, as taught in PolSci-101 at your 3rd rate community college, it aint fascism.
And as far as you are concerned, under Bush and Obama, we have become free of fascism as never before.....
Re: The worst civil liberties president in US history?.... - Chakravartin - 11-06-2012
michaelb wrote:
As authoritative as those sources are on constitutional law, none of them stand for what you are suggesting, all are about how you don't have any constitutional rights at the border (and that extends 100 miles inland). None of them address the rights of a US citizen killed for terrorist activities in Yemen or for piracy in Sudan.
Those citations were supporting my second paragraph. Not the first.
And I have not alleged that U.S. citizens have been "killed for terrorist activities in Yemen" or for "piracy in Sudan."
One might wonder how it could even be established that a U.S. citizen in Yemen or Sudan has been killed by the U.S. government for "terrorist activities" or for "piracy" without there first being a public trial establishing guilt.
I suppose that since no person shall be held to answer for a capital or infamous crime without first being indicted by a grand jury and that person would always be entitled to a speedy and public trial by an impartial jury with counsel, we may safely assume that no person has ever been killed in that manner.
Right?
Re: The worst civil liberties president in US history?.... - max - 11-07-2012
michaelb wrote:
Well it does seem like Max and Mick E would agree that Obama can't possibly be the "worst" president, if what he has failed to do is curb the abuses of power by Bush. You also seem to be overlooking what has occured and why.
Talk about being clueless ideologue, pulling crap our of your arse.
Sheesh, look at the title of the thread.
Guess, what? Obama is the worst, max and mick agree on that...