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Re: Trump indicted again. - Acer - 08-02-2023
"Eighty percent of success is showing up."
--Woody Allen
Mike Pence showed up that day, and it's a good thing he did.
Re: Trump indicted again. - PeterB - 08-02-2023
mattkime wrote:
[quote=PeterB]
Also, one can imagine that this is a big part of why his standing is around 1% of the current GOP candidates.
One can also imagine that he's pushed the lower boundary of Vice Presidential charisma, which is not an easy thing to do.
No question about that, he'll forever be known as Mr. Fly. :fly:
Re: Trump indicted again. - Don C - 08-02-2023
Lawrence O'Donnell pointed out during MSNBC's coverage that even if HE is convicted, it could four years before anything serious actually happens due to appeals and delays.
Have to wonder if after conviction the case goes directly the supreme Court instead of winding through appeals courts. Being a candidate, and especially if he is a nominee makes the case a bit more important than routine procedure would suggest.
We pretty much know that Mr. Thomas would vote in favor of the criminal; wonder how the others would go.
Re: Trump indicted again. - Speedy - 08-02-2023
“We pretty much know that Mr. Thomas would vote in favor of the criminal; wonder how the others would go.”
6-3 to vacate any conviction.
Re: Trump indicted again. - N-OS X-tasy! - 08-02-2023
Speedy wrote:
[quote=N-OS X-tasy!]
[quote=PeterB]
[quote=hal]
from twitter:
Mike Pence statement: “Today's indictment serves as an important reminder: anyone who puts himself over the Constitution should never be President of the United States...Our country is more important than one man. Our Constitution is more important than any one man’s career."
I'm really struck by this statement. Again, it's saying something that your own former VP is saying that you should never again be President.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: This nation was DAMNED LUCKY Pence said the things he said and did the things he did that day. I detest the guy and what he stands for, but goddamn if he isn’t an American patriot and a hero.
Pence just did his job. He gets no thanks from me for that. My employer never thanked me for just doing my job.
Has your boss ever threatened to have his followers HANG you for not complying with his instructions? Probably not.
We’re not talking about just another day at the office here. It would have been the easiest thing in the world for Pence to step out of Trump’s way that day. He didn’t.
Look how far down the slippery slope we found ourselves after what happened on Jan 6. How much worse might it have been if Pence had simply done nothing?
Re: Trump indicted again. - RgrF - 08-02-2023
Pence is a politician who proved to NOT be just another 'weak-kneed' apologist, in today's Republican Party that's a quality worth admiring. His policies are wrongheaded but his character is not.
Re: Trump indicted again. - Ombligo - 08-02-2023
Speedy wrote:
“We pretty much know that Mr. Thomas would vote in favor of the criminal; wonder how the others would go.”
6-3 to vacate any conviction.
I'm not so sure, the court has not been very kind in its Trump rulings. Even the three he appointed have not bowed down to him. It could easily go 7-2 against him (Thomas and Alito are pretty much a given). I doubt Thomas would recuse even if his wife is a defendant.
Re: Trump indicted again. - pdq - 08-02-2023
Re: Trump telling his acolytes “Why did they wait two and a half years?”
We may have thought he should have been arrested on Jan 6, 2021, but 1) investigations take time (although Smith has shown how fast things can move when you have real crimes to investigate which were essentially committed in public view)…
…and 2), this is unprecedented in our country, and I bet plenty of non-Trump folks would have preferred not to have to go this route. That’s entirely on Trump, but I wonder if he had just faded away whether it would have come to this. I’m inclined to think it wouldn’t have, but for the highly classified documents he knowingly kept and waved around to randos (or worse) which forced the issue.
Which again, was entirely on Trump. He is psychologically unable to shut up and go away, even when it’s in his own best interests.
Re: Trump indicted again. - Ted King - 08-02-2023
steve... wrote:
[quote=S. Pupp]
Trump will get a fine. Others involved will get jail time, to be pardoned with the next Republican president.
I heard maybe not prison but home confinement with an ankle monitor plus fines. The reason was that prison would be too hard for the Secret Service to watch him.
I'd be okay with that if "home" was a single person shack on an isolated internet disconnected farm in Minnesota. Give him freedom to wander in several acres of woods by himself (and some Secret Service agents). Allow him to connect back to nature and reevaluate his values. No golf equipment allowed. Nobody to cheat. It would be torture.
Re: Trump indicted again. - pdq - 08-02-2023
Don’t pick on my (still Blue) former state! Send him to South Dakota!