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Re: Trump indicted again. - Janit - 08-02-2023
Ted King wrote:
[quote=steve...]
[quote=S. Pupp]
Trump will get a fine. Others involved will get jail time, to be pardoned with the next Republican president.
I heard maybe not prison but home confinement with an ankle monitor plus fines. The reason was that prison would be too hard for the Secret Service to watch him.
I'd be okay with that if "home" was a single person shack on an isolated internet disconnected farm in Minnesota. Give him freedom to wander in several acres of woods by himself (and some Secret Service agents). Allow him to connect back to nature and reevaluate his values. No golf equipment allowed. Nobody to cheat. It would be torture.
I say give him the golf equipment. Playing by himself for eternity would be even more torture.
Re: Trump indicted again. - gadje - 08-02-2023
gadje wrote:
[quote=Speedy]
I will postulate that in the end the SCOTUS, by a 6-3 ruling, will determine Trump’s actions, because he was a sitting president, were addressed in his House impeachment and Senate trial so therefore they do not belong in criminal court.
interesting... is this like Double Jeopardy? He was already tried once in Senate for this.
I didn't see anyone commenting on this. let's try again.
So he was already under trial once for this, in Senate. Can he be tried again for the same crime?
Re: Trump indicted again. - SteveG - 08-02-2023
source: AP
The 45-page indictment states that when Trump could not persuade state officials to illegally swing the election in his favor, he and his Republican allies began recruiting a slate of fake electors in seven battleground states — Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — to sign certificates falsely stating that he, not Democrat Joe Biden, had won their states.
While those certificates were ultimately ignored by lawmakers, federal prosecutors say it was all part of “a corrupt plan to subvert the federal government function by stopping Biden electors’ votes from being counted and certified.”
Re: Trump indicted again. - Acer - 08-02-2023
gadje wrote:
[quote=gadje]
[quote=Speedy]
I will postulate that in the end the SCOTUS, by a 6-3 ruling, will determine Trump’s actions, because he was a sitting president, were addressed in his House impeachment and Senate trial so therefore they do not belong in criminal court.
interesting... is this like Double Jeopardy? He was already tried once in Senate for this.
I didn't see anyone commenting on this. let's try again.
So he was already under trial once for this, in Senate. Can he be tried again for the same crime?
Not a Constitutional scholar, but I believe impeachment and Senate trial are not considered criminal proceedings. The only penalty they can enforce is removal from office. Their findings could be forwarded to the Justice department for criminal investigation as a separate step.
Re: Trump indicted again. - SteveG - 08-02-2023
Acer wrote:
Not a Constitutional scholar, but I believe impeachment and Senate trial are not considered criminal proceedings. The only penalty they can enforce is removal from office. Their findings could be forwarded to the Justice department for criminal investigation as a separate step.
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Re: Trump indicted again. - gadje - 08-02-2023
Thanks
Re: Trump indicted again. - N-OS X-tasy! - 08-02-2023
Acer wrote:
[quote=gadje]
[quote=gadje]
[quote=Speedy]
I will postulate that in the end the SCOTUS, by a 6-3 ruling, will determine Trump’s actions, because he was a sitting president, were addressed in his House impeachment and Senate trial so therefore they do not belong in criminal court.
interesting... is this like Double Jeopardy? He was already tried once in Senate for this.
I didn't see anyone commenting on this. let's try again.
So he was already under trial once for this, in Senate. Can he be tried again for the same crime?
Not a Constitutional scholar, but I believe impeachment and Senate trial are not considered criminal proceedings. The only penalty they can enforce is removal from office. Their findings could be forwarded to the Justice department for criminal investigation as a separate step.
Beat me to it. I believe this is the case and is similar to civil trials - double jeopardy protection does not apply in civil cases.
Re: Trump indicted again. - SteveG - 08-02-2023
“The events around the White House from election night forward are a stain on our country’s history & a disgrace to the people who participated. This disgrace falls the most on Donald Trump. He swore an oath to the Constitution, violated his oath & brought shame to his presidency.”
-Chris Christie
Re: Trump indicted again. - GGD - 08-02-2023
Steve G. wrote:
“The events around the White House from election night forward are a stain on our country’s history & a disgrace to the people who participated. This disgrace falls the most on Donald Trump. He swore an oath to the Constitution, violated his oath & brought shame to his presidency.”
-Chris Christie
He was probably referring to Nov 3, 2020, but Nov 8, 2016 would fit pretty closely too.
Re: Trump indicted again. - vision63 - 08-02-2023
RgrF wrote:
Pence is a politician who proved to NOT be just another 'weak-kneed' apologist, in today's Republican Party that's a quality worth admiring. His policies are wrongheaded but his character is not.
Exactly. Let me add that in a more ideal society, it's less important that we agree on policy than it is that we agree on the fundamentals of our democracy. Mike Pence's actions (or lack of action) was brave. That's praiseworthy.