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When you get kicked out - just declare victory and move on. - mick e - 10-21-2011
Iraq to Obama: When are you going to leave our country?
Obama to Iraq: Rlz soon, doods! BTW: Can we stayz here wif some gunz fer a whilez?????
Iraq to Obama: GTFO
Obama to Iraq: You kiddin right? I'm yur guy fer realz!
Iraq to Obama: No srisly - fuckoff.
Obama to Iraq: ...Wellz - I DID tellz the stupids that I wuz gonna end that war, soz - IT LOOKS LIKE I MAKE GOOD ON THAT ONE!!! LOL!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/21/iraq-rejects-us-plea-bases
Re: When you get kicked out - just declare victory and move on. - Carnos Jax - 10-21-2011
I don't know what to make of that. But in one sense, it seems you've got to ask do they owe us anything for their 'liberation'. Part of me says no, being that we (or perhaps the West in general) was responsible for some/all of that mess (i.e. Saddam) to begin with. Forever it 'seems' we interfered/undermined fledgling democracies that tried to establish itself there (for one example, think Iran before the Shah).
Re: When you get kicked out - just declare victory and move on. - vision63 - 10-21-2011
World management is a tough job. That's why aliens always come to the United States first. To see the top man. You have to know exactly when and where to insert your madmen and when to remove them. But sometimes you err.
Re: When you get kicked out - just declare victory and move on. - (vikm) - 10-21-2011
"The Iraqi decision is a boost to Iran, which has close ties with many members of the Iraqi government and which had been battling against the establishment of permanent American bases."
Way to go George you incompetent fuckwit. Ahhh, The Bush years... the gift that apparently keeps on giving.
Re: When you get kicked out - just declare victory and move on. - Black - 10-21-2011
The Iraqi government, conscious of public anger over many controversial incidents involving US troops and defence contractors over the last decade, refused.
Complete failure on Obama's part to convince them that none of that really happened.
Re: When you get kicked out - just declare victory and move on. - hal - 10-22-2011
Carnos Jax wrote:
But in one sense, it seems you've got to ask do they owe us anything for their 'liberation'. Part of me says no...
ALL of me says no. They didn't ask to have their country destroyed by this war. They didn't ask anyone to come in and kill Saddam - we did that all by ourselves (well, don't forget poland!). They owe us nothing - if anything, it's the other way around.
Re: When you get kicked out - just declare victory and move on. - vision63 - 10-22-2011
hal wrote:
[quote=Carnos Jax]
But in one sense, it seems you've got to ask do they owe us anything for their 'liberation'. Part of me says no...
ALL of me says no. They didn't ask to have their country destroyed by this war. They didn't ask anyone to come in and kill Saddam - we did that all by ourselves (well, don't forget poland!). They owe us nothing - if anything, it's the other way around.
In addition, they buried tons of dead people, including women, children and grandparents.
Re: When you get kicked out - just declare victory and move on. - Black - 10-22-2011
vision63 wrote:
[quote=hal]
[quote=Carnos Jax]
But in one sense, it seems you've got to ask do they owe us anything for their 'liberation'. Part of me says no...
ALL of me says no. They didn't ask to have their country destroyed by this war. They didn't ask anyone to come in and kill Saddam - we did that all by ourselves (well, don't forget poland!). They owe us nothing - if anything, it's the other way around.
In addition, they buried tons of dead people, including women, children and grandparents.
Estimates were running in the area of 200,000 "civilian" Iraqi casualties last time I spent any time studying this.
I have no idea why anyone thinks we're entitled to maintain any presence there whatsoever.
Re: When you get kicked out - just declare victory and move on. - OWC Jamie - 10-22-2011
hal wrote:
[quote=Carnos Jax]
But in one sense, it seems you've got to ask do they owe us anything for their 'liberation'. Part of me says no...
ALL of me says no. They didn't ask to have their country destroyed by this war. They didn't ask anyone to come in and kill Saddam - we did that all by ourselves (well, don't forget poland!). They owe us nothing - if anything, it's the other way around.
Al Gore must have been talking out of his ass during his campaignspeeches talking about helping the iraqi people who wanted relief from Saddam's killing machines and mechanisms. What a tool he was.
Re: When you get kicked out - just declare victory and move on. - Black - 10-22-2011
billb wrote:
[quote=hal]
[quote=Carnos Jax]
But in one sense, it seems you've got to ask do they owe us anything for their 'liberation'. Part of me says no...
ALL of me says no. They didn't ask to have their country destroyed by this war. They didn't ask anyone to come in and kill Saddam - we did that all by ourselves (well, don't forget poland!). They owe us nothing - if anything, it's the other way around.
Al Gore must have been talking out of his ass during his campaignspeeches talking about helping the iraqi people who wanted relief from Saddam's killing machines and mechanisms. What a tool he was.
Those Iraqis who think the Bush administration invaded Iraq primarily to serve its own interests, rather than for purely humanitarian purposes should be ashamed of their cynicism.