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Only in California... - freeradical - 11-04-2011
...do we protect bugs.
(American River Bike Trail near Rancho Cordova)
Re: Only in California... - davester - 11-04-2011
Completely wrong. The sign is specifying enforcement of the U.S. Endangered Species Act, not a California law.
Re: Only in California... - freeradical - 11-04-2011
I hope the birds can read.
Re: Only in California... - Black - 11-04-2011
Yup, protecting endangered species is ridiculous.
(BTW you posted this on the "Tips and Deals" side-- oopsie!)
Re: Only in California... - Paul F. - 11-05-2011
The lengths to which California will go sure is...
Re: Only in California... - SDGuy - 11-05-2011
Considering the cultural importance of all things elderberry, I have no problem with this...
Re: Only in California... - davester - 11-05-2011
Paul F. wrote:
The lengths to which California will go sure is...
...not indicated by anything posted in this thread.
Re: Only in California... - N-OS X-tasy! - 11-05-2011
davester wrote:
Completely wrong. The sign is specifying enforcement of the U.S. Endangered Species Act, not a California law.
Why must you continue to complicate these discussions with facts, davester?
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Re: Only in California... - chopper - 11-05-2011
I was mulling over blasting through there on a dirt bike tomorrow. Probably take the sand tire off it.
Re: Only in California... - Mike Johnson - 11-05-2011
It's not a bug (hemiptera), it's a beetle (coleoptera), and yeah, Federal law, not state.
We protect the elderberry longhorn beetle because if we protect it we protect its habitat. It was endangered when most of its habitat was wiped out. There's almost no riparian forest left in central California -- from 750,000 acres down to maybe 10,000, max. And what little remains is a shadow of what it once was. Once a biome is gone, there's no retrieving it. Those signs you joke about are why the beetle, and the mature elderberries, are coming back. It may come off the endangered species list, even. But that's because of the stringent federal protections, not in spite of them.
There's a basic economic issue people seem not to grasp sometimes, which is diminishing marginal utility. If 10,000 acres of riparian forest remain in California, losing them would be a terrible cost. 10,000 more acres of farm land or dirt bike tracks doesn't add much to our resources.