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Hey, Kiva. Can you use one of your fancy elite fallacy names on this? - Dennis S - 02-19-2012
Here's a quote from Santorum.
One of the favorite tricks of the left is to use your sentimentality, is to use your proper understanding that we are stewards of this earth, and that we have a responsibility to hand off a beautiful Earth to the next generation. And so they use that, and they’ve used it in the past to try to scare you into supporting radical ideas on the environment. They tried it with this idea, this politicization of science called manmade global warming.
You look at any country in the world...the higher the energy consumption, the higher their standard of living.
http://www.alternet.org/environment/154128/the_5_stupidest_things_gop_presidential_candidates_said...in_just_one_day
Re: Hey, Kiva. Can you use one of your fancy elite fallacy names on this? - Trouble - 02-19-2012
Dennis S wrote: You look at any country in the world...the higher the energy consumption, the higher their standard of living.
Truth.
Re: Hey, Kiva. Can you use one of your fancy elite fallacy names on this? - Dennis S - 02-19-2012
Now now now. Let's wait for Kiva or someone else to explain why it's a fallacy. It's the truth that crime is lower where there are more cows.
Re: Hey, Kiva. Can you use one of your fancy elite fallacy names on this? - Kiva - 02-19-2012
hmm...let's see...
what do you guys think?
Confusing Cause and Effect?
or
Appeal to common practice?
likely the former..
BTW, the site with all these fallacies listed is http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ . I don' t know them all by heart. However, I try to argue in a logically consistent manner, as I feel our culture is so, well, illogical and over-emotional in trying to discuss things. So, in an attempt to learn them, I reference it frequently.
I know I commit fallacies all the time...but really try not to. I do have this fantasy where somebody who knows them backwards and forwards goes on some dumb wingnut talk show and just abuses the host with shooting down each 'argument' they present.
edit: T, if you want to declare that statement true, you'll need another dimension where logic doesn't rule. Perhaps you already live there.
Correlation does not equal causation. It *might*...but, to prove it, you'd have to do a lot of analysis and study. However, the statement, as a stand-alone idea, is illogical and invalid and represents poor reasoning.
Re: Hey, Kiva. Can you use one of your fancy elite fallacy names on this? - $tevie - 02-19-2012
Those wingnuts are dumb but not dumb enough to let someone like that use their microphone. :-D
Re: Hey, Kiva. Can you use one of your fancy elite fallacy names on this? - Dennis S - 02-19-2012
What is the saying about: you can't reason with someone who didn't arrive at their conclusion by reasoning? Something like that.
Re: Hey, Kiva. Can you use one of your fancy elite fallacy names on this? - J Marston - 02-19-2012
Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.
False equivalence (in that standard of living does not equal quality of life).
Re: Hey, Kiva. Can you use one of your fancy elite fallacy names on this? - Ombligo - 02-19-2012
What is true today is not necessarily true tomorrow.
Re: Hey, Kiva. Can you use one of your fancy elite fallacy names on this? - Greg - 02-19-2012
"bosh"?
Re: Hey, Kiva. Can you use one of your fancy elite fallacy names on this? - cbelt3 - 02-19-2012
TheoGab.
(Conflating Theology and Bafflegab).