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It's illegal to vote the Graveyard. But the Dying and Demented ? OH YEAH ! - cbelt3 - 11-06-2012
Local discussions on voting include these gems:
In two separate cases, wives of co-workers are Hospice nurses. Both report energetic voting 'organizers' working with dying elderly patients in hospitals and nursing homes to fill out absentee ballots. Not family members... strangers.
And in both observed cases, the patient in question was completely incapable of communication.. in one case in a coma, the other complete Alzheimer's dementia.
So ask yourself ? Who voted there ?
And before you accuse... neither nurse had any idea who the organizer worked for. Could have been Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Green, Marxist, or North Korean People's Party.
Welcome to the Battleground state. We've had more money tossed into this state by both campaigns, and more personal visits, than any other state. Insane.
Re: It's illegal to vote the Graveyard. But the Dying and Demented ? OH YEAH ! - lafinfil - 11-06-2012
So were these actions reported to the proper authorities ?
Re: It's illegal to vote the Graveyard. But the Dying and Demented ? OH YEAH ! - Lemon Drop - 11-06-2012
Yes, that would clearly be fraud, and frankly what sort of hospice lets strangers come in and talk to their incapacitated patients like this? Seems like a very poor practice.
Re: It's illegal to vote the Graveyard. But the Dying and Demented ? OH YEAH ! - deckeda - 11-06-2012
lafinfil wrote:
So were these actions reported to the proper authorities ?
As if the Internet isn't good enough for you, buddy?
Re: It's illegal to vote the Graveyard. But the Dying and Demented ? OH YEAH ! - cbelt3 - 11-06-2012
lafinfil wrote:
So were these actions reported to the proper authorities ?
Both nurses explained that they would be arrested under the privacy laws for even contemplating reporting it. If it doesn't relate to patient care issues, they can't report it. And all they could tell their husbands was "One of my patients". No ability to name them. And of course I didn't ask.
HIPAA is a Catch-22 kind of law. I sometimes wonder how many medical mistakes happen because people are not allowed to discuss patient care.
Re: It's illegal to vote the Graveyard. But the Dying and Demented ? OH YEAH ! - Gutenberg - 11-06-2012
So they won't let complete strangers visit patients in hospitals but they will in hospices? That's a wee bit odd. I am not sure this story passes the sniff test.
Re: It's illegal to vote the Graveyard. But the Dying and Demented ? OH YEAH ! - lafinfil - 11-06-2012
cbelt3 wrote:
[quote=lafinfil]
So were these actions reported to the proper authorities ?
Both nurses explained that they would be arrested under the privacy laws for even contemplating reporting it. If it doesn't relate to patient care issues, they can't report it. And all they could tell their husbands was "One of my patients". No ability to name them. And of course I didn't ask.
HIPAA is a Catch-22 kind of law. I sometimes wonder how many medical mistakes happen because people are not allowed to discuss patient care.
I do not think that is correct. I worked in a hospital for 15 years and understand HIPPA rules. This is not patient care but a criminal act (fraud) This is like saying that if they saw a patient being robbed at gunpoint that the staff could not report it (unless of corse they were stealing medical devices that were in use)
The administration of this institution is full of shit if they tell the staff this. A good healthcare provider would report it to their immediate supervisor and tell them directly that they will also file a report to law enforcement. If they were fired they would have a hell of a case and the institution would face major repercussions. The hospital I worked at encouraged employees to report any and all suspicious activity to the house security and to let them sort it out.
Re: It's illegal to vote the Graveyard. But the Dying and Demented ? OH YEAH ! - Speedy - 11-06-2012
A friend died in hospice care this past June. We could not visit without permission from his wife although we could leave a potted plant that they would take to his room.
In my state, if you die after voting absentee your ballot is not processed unless you die on election day. The county checks ballots against death records and also with mortuaries.
Remember, although a few votes may be had by what cbelt3 describes, it is nothing, nothing at all, compared to the organized and systematic voter suppression that the Republicans are incorporating into state laws and constitutions. Most voters probably have forgotten about the scandal during Pres. Bush's term when Turd Blossom fired a number of federal attorneys because they wouldn't prosecute alleged voter fraud. This was part of the very successful propaganda effort to convince easily manipulated people that there is rampant voter fraud. Even efforts by the tea bagger 'True the Vote' suppression group will do more than all the votes that can be had from comatose patients.
But expect Faux Benghazi News to latch onto a dozen cases like those that cbelt3 alleges.
One more thing. I will be helping my daughter, age 22 with an IQ of 70, vote at the polls today. She knows who will get her vote in the presidential contest (she always votes against who I back) but knows nothing about the rest of the contests. I will provide her with information about those contests which I obviously can and do slant. Also, my wife asks me to tell her for whom to cast her vote on the down ballot contests. She is a university professor. She just called me as I was writing this edit to remind me to leave her a filled out sample ballot.
Re: It's illegal to vote the Graveyard. But the Dying and Demented ? OH YEAH ! - $tevie - 11-06-2012
lafinfil wrote:
[quote=cbelt3]
[quote=lafinfil]
So were these actions reported to the proper authorities ?
Both nurses explained that they would be arrested under the privacy laws for even contemplating reporting it. If it doesn't relate to patient care issues, they can't report it. And all they could tell their husbands was "One of my patients". No ability to name them. And of course I didn't ask.
HIPAA is a Catch-22 kind of law. I sometimes wonder how many medical mistakes happen because people are not allowed to discuss patient care.
I do not think that is correct. I worked in a hospital for 15 years and understand HIPPA rules. This is not patient care but a criminal act (fraud) This is like saying that if they saw a patient being robbed at gunpoint that the staff could not report it (unless of corse they were stealing medical devices that were in use)
The administration of this institution is full of shit if they tell the staff this. A good healthcare provider would report it to their immediate supervisor and tell them directly that they will also file a report to law enforcement. If they were fired they would have a hell of a case and the institution would face major repercussions. The hospital I worked at encouraged employees to report any and all suspicious activity to the house security and to let them sort it out.
If this actually happened and if the people who worked there actually believed they aren't allowed to report total strangers coming into a patient's room (?!?!?), it is simple enough to call a cop and pretend you thought the patient WAS being robbed.
Re: It's illegal to vote the Graveyard. But the Dying and Demented ? OH YEAH ! - August West - 11-06-2012
No, no, cbelt's anecdotes always represent reality!