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Wisconsin has gone from 11th in job creation to 44th in two years under Scott Walker - Dennis S - 04-01-2013
Of course it's not his fault:
http://www.nationalmemo.com/lol-of-the-week-scott-walker-keeps-blaming-workers/#.UVlz7b6ao38.reddit
Re: Wisconsin has gone from 11th in job creation to 44th in two years under Scott Walker - Ted King - 04-01-2013
Just think how much worse it would have been if he hadn't taken $100 million from teachers and given it to businesses as a tax break.
Re: Wisconsin has gone from 11th in job creation to 44th in two years under Scott Walker - cbelt3 - 04-01-2013
OK, the bias is obvious in the site, but let's ask factual questions ?
Who does 'create jobs' ? Hint.. it's not governments. Especially not governments in states that are broke. And can't run a deficit. I keep seeing commentary that this Wisconsin fact is a 'repuduation' of Republican attempts to rein in spending at the federal level. Sorry... different economic realities are at work here.
The assumption that the Wisconsin state employee's effective salary reduction of 8% is to blame for the economy of Wisconsin is a bit of a stretch, no ? 2010 private nonfarm employment was 2.3 million. 70K FTE state employees.
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/55000.html
http://www2.census.gov/govs/apes/11stwi.txt
Back of the envelope calculation says it's about a .25% effect on the economy of wisconsin.
How does that add up ?
Re: Wisconsin has gone from 11th in job creation to 44th in two years under Scott Walker - Ted King - 04-01-2013
cbelt3 wrote:
The assumption that the Wisconsin state employee's effective salary reduction of 8% is to blame for the economy of Wisconsin is a bit of a stretch, no ?
You went to a lot of trouble to disprove an assertion I don't think anybody made - certainly not one I made. All I was implying is that the amount of money Walker took from teachers is equal to the amount that he gave to businesses as tax breaks they didn't have before. That isn't saying that the basically transfer of money from teachers to business was to blame for Wisconsin's economy - but it sure as heck didn't seem to do much to make for more jobs.
Re: Wisconsin has gone from 11th in job creation to 44th in two years under Scott Walker - gabester - 04-01-2013
cbelt3 wrote:
Back of the envelope calculation says it's about a .25% effect on the economy of Wisconsin.
Don't forget the economist's favorite fiscal calculation tool, the multiplier effect. Depending on how you evaluate that, a quarter percent reduction on the state's payroll could very well have a half to 2% effect on the overall economy. Those teachers and administrators buy businesses products and services, after all.
Re: Wisconsin has gone from 11th in job creation to 44th in two years under Scott Walker - Sam3 - 04-02-2013
Ted King wrote:
... All I was implying is that the amount of money Walker took from teachers is equal to the amount that he gave to businesses as tax breaks they didn't have before. That isn't saying that the basically transfer of money from teachers to business was to blame for Wisconsin's economy - but it sure as heck didn't seem to do much to make for more jobs.
And isn't that what the Republicans are claiming? That tax breaks for businesses will stimulate job creation? This seems to show otherwise.
Re: Wisconsin has gone from 11th in job creation to 44th in two years under Scott Walker - cbelt3 - 04-02-2013
Ted.. The assertion was made in the article. I'm skeptical of single factor conclusions , much like I'm skeptical of the "OMG Obama" conclusions others make. Economies are, IMHO , incapable if bring "fixed"'by governments. Broken ? Oh yeah.
Re: Wisconsin has gone from 11th in job creation to 44th in two years under Scott Walker - Gutenberg - 04-02-2013
You are just like a cat that does something foolish like trying to leap from the refrigerator across the kitchen to the cabinet, falls, and then tries to convey that it did not do that by licking its paw and strolling away.
You say something foolish and off the point, like governments don't create jobs (they do it all the time--the payroll rises and falls with the times, and we haven't even started on the R&D contributions of government that create jobs both immediate (the R) and down the road (the D).
And then someone comes up with a perfectly reasonable and obvious rebuttal and reminds you of the original point, and you say you never said what you said, and in fact you disagree with what you said. So cute.
Why don't you just think before you type? It saves time.
Re: Wisconsin has gone from 11th in job creation to 44th in two years under Scott Walker - deckeda - 04-02-2013
Gute -- it's an Ohio thing.
Half the people there can't decide against themselves what they know their other half to be true.
(I'll sip my coffee while you all decipher that. Top prize for anyone with an English translation.)
Re: Wisconsin has gone from 11th in job creation to 44th in two years under Scott Walker - mick e - 04-02-2013
cbelt is just trying desperately to cling to his "conservatism". Scott Walker is the future of the GOP, so he's being a good soldier.
There is only one problem. Scott Walker is an incompetent tool.*
*mick e actually worked for Milw. County briefly when Walker was the Executive, so he speaks first-hand (albeit second person).