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What Krugman inspired me to say... - Ted King - 05-16-2013 Almost a year ago I posted this in reference to a Krugman article I quoted: http://forums.macresource.com/read.php?2,1384485,1384485#msg-1384485 I like that he alludes to the morality mentality that seems to have an undue influence on some people. They see what is happening as some kind of morality play - people did a bad thing by taking on too much debt and now they have to pay the price for it. It is true that too many people took on stupid debt and they do need to deleverage (reduce their debt), but a LOT of people who are suffering through this quasi-depression did not act irresponsibly but are never-the-less suffering from the economic downturn. Looking at this as purely a morality play is a cop-out for digging in and really getting an understanding of what has happened. Instead of looking at it as a morality play we should look at the situation like engineers trying to solve a problem. We have an economic machine that has the capacity to produce much more goods and services - and very importantly, the jobs that go with doing so - than it is now producing. What needs to be done to fix it? Well, identify the limiting factor. I think that the empirical evidence is clear - the limiting factor is demand. Krugman is saying what a good economic engineer would say in this situation. And now Krugman has written this in "The New York Review of Books" : Everyone loves a morality play. “For the wages of sin is death” is a much more satisfying message than “Shit happens.” We all want events to have meaning. I think I see glimmers of the "morality play" mentality losing its grip on the collective psyche, but maybe it just seems that way to me because I want to believe it is happening. Incidentally, belated apologies for the somewhat condescending and/or nagging tone of that post from almost a year ago. I think I was feeling some frustration with the forum at the time. Re: What Krugman inspired me to say... - davester - 05-17-2013 I definitely understand the issue of trying to understand economic problems as an engineer or scientist but being flummoxed by people who let their emotions rule. Sadly, I don't see the "morality play" mentality losing its grip. If that were true then there wouldn't be so many republican buffoons in the house of representatives. I find it incredibly frustrating that scientifically obtained answers to so many problems that the US has are roundly ignored by a bunch of buffoons who rely solely on emotionally charged soundbites to further their careers and provide political guidance. Economics is difficult enough to understand without the buffoons injecting their FUD. This is really no different a problem than the climate change issue. Mass quantities of data are incapable of changing the minds of the buffoons who decide their behavior based on short-term political goals. Re: What Krugman inspired me to say... - RgrF - 05-17-2013 I do like Krugman's analogy. If you bring a beat-up dying car into the shop for repair, a true mechanic will prescribe a course of action while a true believer will berate you for the way you neglected the machine. I grew up amongst some of those true-believer mechanics. Re: What Krugman inspired me to say... - Numo - 05-18-2013 Very thoughtful. People love to place blame (on others). Blaming others has 3 charms: it gives a temporary feeling of superiority, acts as a talisman against the same thing happening to you, and eliminates the need for further reflection. The downsides of being a blamer are hubris, resentment, and anger. Re: What Krugman inspired me to say... - davester - 05-18-2013 Ammo wrote: The downsides of being a blamer are hubris, resentment, and anger. ...and being completely wrong. |