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We just overthrew a democratically elected government in Europe. - max - 02-23-2014
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26299670
Of course it might not have been the best democratic government, but then again an elected regime usually reflects the country that chose it. It also was a major improvement over what was there just ten years ago.
Putin's nightmare just came to life. He firmly believes that the West's ultimate goal is breakup of Russia.
He might be right, there are tremendous riches of natural resources to be had for an enterprising colonial power.
Like Germany and Austria, the same countries that underwrote and financed breakup of Yugoslavia.
Ukraine is just a first step and we are quite open about doing it.
http://www.upi.com/blog/2014/02/06/Stat ... 391726555/
I will not be surprised to see civil war in Ukraine....
Re: We just overthrew a democratically elected government in Europe. - cbelt3 - 02-23-2014
"We" ?
The protestors overthrew a democratically elected President who took dictatorial actions and powers for himself. He was LEGALLY impeached by the Ukranian Parliament.
Re: We just overthrew a democratically elected government in Europe. - max - 02-23-2014
Yes, cbelt, we did, with our financial, political and organizational support.
We also impeached a President, LEGALLY, that does not stand for a regime change.
We, as per the recording released by the Russian intelligence, our State Department made the decisions who was going to run the "new " Ukraine instead of the elected officials.
The only difference between the old days where we went after left wing regimes, now we depose any flavor.
That makes us less discriminatory....
Re: We just overthrew a democratically elected government in Europe. - DeusxMac - 02-23-2014
max wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26299670
Of course it might not have been the best democratic government, but then again an elected regime usually reflects the country that chose it. It also was a major improvement over what was there just ten years ago.
(Putin) might be right, there are tremendous riches of natural resources to be had for an enterprising colonial power. Like Germany and Austria, ...
You must be reading some article other than the one you linked to, because there's scarcely anything in that BBC link that supports your conclusions.
"MPs have replace(d) the parliamentary speaker and attorney general, appointed a new pro-opposition interior minister and voted to free jailed opposition leader Yulia Tymoshenko."
"MP" stands for Member of Parliament; elected officials.
"The protests first erupted in late November when Mr Yanukovych rejected a landmark association and trade deal with the European Union in favour of closer ties with Russia."
"In a statement, the interior ministry said the police force was "at the service of the people and completely shares its aspirations for rapid changes"."
Unless there was more at this link which doesn't seem to work:
max wrote: Ukraine is just a first step and we are quite open about doing it."SORRY, THE PAGE YOU ARE LOOKING FOR COULD NOT BE FOUND"
http://www.upi.com/blog/2014/02/06/Stat ... 391726555/
Re: We just overthrew a democratically elected government in Europe. - freeradical - 02-23-2014
Frack the EU...
Go to just before the 3 minute point...:devil:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSxaa-67yGM&feature=youtu.be
Re: We just overthrew a democratically elected government in Europe. - Ted King - 02-23-2014
The whole notion of what is or is not a "legal" government in the Ukraine has been quite a mess for at least since 2010 when the Ukrainian supreme court threw out a bill that was supposed to have changed their constitution in 2004 and was "in force" for the election that "elected" Yanukovych:
http://en.ria.ru/world/20101001/160795260.html
1/10/2010
The court said on Friday the bill passed on December 8, 2004, "does not correspond to the Ukrainian Constitution" because of "violations of constitutional procedures of its consideration and adoption."
Opposition politician and ex-premier Yulia Tymoshenko called on Friday for early presidential and parliamentary elections since all of the country's power structures were elected under the old constitution.
"There can only be one conclusion: the president, parliament and government should all be re-elected at early presidential and parliamentary elections," she said.
Tymoshenko called on Ukrainian democratic forces to unite to hold talks on new elections.
The Ukrainian justice minister, Oleksandr Lavrynovych, said there were no grounds to hold early presidential or parliamentary elections.
The constitutional amendments were approved under President Leonid Kuchma. His successor, Viktor Yushchenko, sought to abolish the reforms, which helped to create the conditions for the political crises of his presidency.
Yanukovych, who was elected in February, said in his Constitution Day address to the nation on July 6 that the reform caused a "misbalance" and a "serious crisis of power," and proposed reviewing the constitution.
Some analysts argue that abolishing the reform will put too much power in the hands of the Ukrainian president.
Without the court ruling, Yanukovych's supporters would likely find it impossible to restore the president's earlier powers, as 300 votes in Ukraine's 450-strong Supreme Rada are required to change the constitution. Yanukovych's coalition in parliament is 35 votes short of that level of support.
Deeper background:
http://jurist.org/forum/2011/01/jurist-guest-columnist-alexei-trochev.php
Re: We just overthrew a democratically elected government in Europe. - max - 02-23-2014
DeusxMac wrote:
[quote=max]
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26299670
You must be reading some article other than the one you linked to, because there's scarcely anything in that BBC link that supports your conclusions. The BBC link was there to show the end result, the overthrow of the government,
as for the rest you have to know the story, the context, the history.
Learn about it first, take a look at freerad's youtube link, DeusxMac, then come back and join the discussion....
Re: We just overthrew a democratically elected government in Europe. - Wild eep - 02-23-2014
max wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26299670
Of course it might not have been the best democratic government, but then again an elected regime usually reflects the country that chose it. It also was a major improvement over what was there just ten years ago.
Putin's nightmare just came to life. He firmly believes that the West's ultimate goal is breakup of Russia.
He might be right, there are tremendous riches of natural resources to be had for an enterprising colonial power.
Like Germany and Austria, the same countries that underwrote and financed breakup of Yugoslavia.
Ukraine is just a first step and we are quite open about doing it.
http://www.upi.com/blog/2014/02/06/Stat ... 391726555/
I will not be surprised to see civil war in Ukraine....
So it seems there is conflict in your beliefs.
http://forums.macresource.com/read.php?2,1686006
Re: We just overthrew a democratically elected government in Europe. - Lemon Drop - 02-23-2014
It's no secret that the US supported the EU's efforts to make trade deals with, and give financial aid to, Ukraine. Efforts that were rejected last fall by Yanukovych and which led to the protests we just witnessed.
That's all very public. What's with the "secret" stuff?
Also, we had a good discussion on the forum about this a couple of months ago:
http://forums.macresource.com/read.php?2,1651038,1651070#msg-1651070
Re: We just overthrew a democratically elected government in Europe. - max - 02-23-2014
Wild eep wrote:
[quote=max]
Putin's nightmare just came to life. He firmly believes that the West's ultimate goal is breakup of Russia.
He might be right, there are tremendous riches of natural resources to be had for an enterprising colonial power.
Like Germany and Austria, the same countries that underwrote and financed breakup of Yugoslavia.
Ukraine is just a first step and we are quite open about doing it.
http://www.upi.com/blog/2014/02/06/Stat ... 391726555/
I will not be surprised to see civil war in Ukraine....
So it seems there is conflict in your beliefs.
http://forums.macresource.com/read.php?2,1686006
Explain the perceived conflict....