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JoePa back from the dead - rjmacs - 01-16-2015
NCAA settles lawsuit, restores Joe Paterno's 111 wins formerly vacated in the aftermath of the Sandusky pedophilia scandal.
I don't think PSU is going to put his statue back up, though.
Re: JoePa back from the dead - cbelt3 - 01-16-2015
I don't see the purpose. His legacy was permanently stained by Sandusky.
Re: JoePa back from the dead - guod - 01-16-2015
It has no less purpose then removing the wins in the first place
Re: JoePa back from the dead - OWC Jamie - 01-16-2015
cbelt3 wrote:
I don't see the purpose. His legacy was permanently stained by Sandusky.
was
time heals wounds and allows blindered eyes a better view
Re: JoePa back from the dead - 3d - 01-16-2015
Are there any plans to replace the Paterno statue so fans will have a proper place to worship?
Re: JoePa back from the dead - ztirffritz - 01-16-2015
I still say that JoePa was made into a scapegoat because of his terminal cancer. Sandusky should have been electrocuted by his dangley bits, PSU's athletic director, whom JoePa reported the incident(s) to should have been next in line. Joe wasn't responsible for the actions of Sandusky when Sandusky was using the facilities in a volunteer capacity. The athletic director is responsible for not escalating the response. JoePa reported the information he had to the athletic director. His responsibility ends there. I'm sure he regretted not following up more, and not pushing for more action, but that's hindsight. From an HR perspective, JoePa probably wasn't included in any investigations that took place and the actions resulting may not have been shared with him either. Maybe there's more to the story that I don't know about. I'll admit I didn't follow every salacious detail that emerged, but what I heard sounded like JoePa did the bare minimum of what was expected of him and he died regretting not doing more. The man was saint. I can't believe how people have lumped PSU's football program into the same category as many other schools. PSU's football program is big and successful largely because of Joe Paterno. He stressed academics over everything else. He stressed team over individual glory. That's why Penn State's players don't have their names on their jersey. Joe Pa tried as hard as he could to make sure that players graduated, with an actual usable degree in addition to playing football. Yes it is a big school. Yes they have a big stadium. Yes football is a big part of the University Park campus culture. Joe Paterno did everything possible to keep the players centered and focused on success in the classroom and on the field. He didn't always go for the best players, he went for the right players.
Re: JoePa back from the dead - rjmacs - 01-16-2015
ztirffritz wrote:
I still say that JoePa was made into a scapegoat because of his terminal cancer. Sandusky should have been electrocuted by his dangley bits, PSU's athletic director, whom JoePa reported the incident(s) to should have been next in line. Joe wasn't responsible for the actions of Sandusky when Sandusky was using the facilities in a volunteer capacity. The athletic director is responsible for not escalating the response. JoePa reported the information he had to the athletic director. His responsibility ends there.
When someone you trust tells you they saw your colleague raping a child, you call the police. Period. You don't report it up the chain of command and assume it will be handled appropriately.
Re: JoePa back from the dead - Uncle Wig - 01-16-2015
rjmacs wrote:
[quote=ztirffritz]
I still say that JoePa was made into a scapegoat because of his terminal cancer. Sandusky should have been electrocuted by his dangley bits, PSU's athletic director, whom JoePa reported the incident(s) to should have been next in line. Joe wasn't responsible for the actions of Sandusky when Sandusky was using the facilities in a volunteer capacity. The athletic director is responsible for not escalating the response. JoePa reported the information he had to the athletic director. His responsibility ends there.
When someone you trust tells you they saw your colleague raping a child, you call the police. Period. You don't report it up the chain of command and assume it will be handled appropriately.
^^^ THIS!
And saying Paterno was made a scapegoat BECAUSE of his cancer just makes no sense whatsoever.
Re: JoePa back from the dead - Speedy - 01-16-2015
rjmacs wrote:
[quote=ztirffritz]
I still say that JoePa was made into a scapegoat because of his terminal cancer. Sandusky should have been electrocuted by his dangley bits, PSU's athletic director, whom JoePa reported the incident(s) to should have been next in line. Joe wasn't responsible for the actions of Sandusky when Sandusky was using the facilities in a volunteer capacity. The athletic director is responsible for not escalating the response. JoePa reported the information he had to the athletic director. His responsibility ends there.
When someone you trust tells you they saw your colleague raping a child, you call the police. Period. You don't report it up the chain of command and assume it will be handled appropriately.
:agree:
Re: JoePa back from the dead - D. Lawson - 01-16-2015
ztirffritz wrote:
Maybe there's more to the story that I don't know about. I'll admit I didn't follow every salacious detail that emerged, but what I heard sounded like JoePa did the bare minimum of what was expected of him and he died regretting not doing more. The man was saint.
You would do well to learn more of the story about St. Joe before making such ridiculous claims.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1256931-penn-state-football-scandal-now-we-know-what-joe-paterno-knew
According to the Freeh Report, in e-mails from February 2001—after Mike McQueary reported witnessing Sandusky rape a small child in Penn State's Football Program's Lasch building—President Spanier, Vice President Gary Schultz and athletic director Tim Curley decided to confront Sandusky, alert Sandusky's charity/victim breeding ground The Second Mile and, most importantly, contact the Department of Welfare.
That plan changed only after Curley had a little chinwag with coach Joe Paterno.
In an e-mail to Spanier and Schultz Curley writes, "After giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe yesterday, I am uncomfortable with what we agreed were the next steps."
The three decide to merely confront Sandusky and do not contact the Department of Welfare or any law enforcement agency. They decide to keep it hushed up because of a conversation Curley had with Paterno. We don't know what Paterno may have said, but we do have more than two functioning brain cells and can pretty much figure out that Paterno persuaded Curley not to take this outside the University. Keep it in house. And keep it in house they did.
President Spanier, who seems to be arguably the biggest scumbag (second of course to Sandusky himself) in this story would go on to laud Curley in e-mails and then caution that the only problem with keeping this issue in house would be basically that Sandusky rapes more children and word gets out thus leaving the brain trust of Spanier, Paterno, Curley and Schultz "vulnerable for not reporting it."
here was another person who swore to the Grand Jury he knew nothing of the 1998 incident involving Sandusky inappropriately showering and touching a boy: Joe Paterno.
E-mails from 1998 show that Paterno was very much aware of the investigation and was following it closely. That's also perjury which, in this country, is a crime.
An Esquire Magazine article reports that Joe Paterno's own datebook/appointment calendar from 1998 shows a gap in his schedule where Paterno cancelled recruiting trips and a family vacation in May of that year. He resumes his schedule promptly once the investigation into Sandusky is dropped.
It's obvious Paterno knew that his then defensive coordinator and heir was apparently being investigated for molesting a small boy.