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why do they vote twice? - space-time - 10-06-2018
they voted yesterday, 51-49, now they vote AGAIN on the same issue. These people work for us. why do they do the same job twice?
Re: why do they vote twice? - Sarcany - 10-06-2018
The first vote took it out of committee.
The second vote ended the debate. (The cloture vote.)
The last vote is to determine whether he's appointed.
I like that they couldn't do it all in a single vote. This way, they have some extra time to think it over.
Every delay helps the cause of not putting dumb schmucks on the SCOTUS.
Anyone who puts any serious thought into this appointment would never vote to put Kavanaugh on the bench.
Re: why do they vote twice? - Acer - 10-06-2018
EDIT. See Sarcany above.
Re: why do they vote twice? - Acer - 10-06-2018
Ya know, the brinksmanship here was completely unnecessary. So the opposition found a serious flaw. Whatever. Go back to the list and find another. Life would go on for Kavanaugh, he'll be fine making bank on the white male outrage speaker circuit if he's not on the court. If Conservatism is Received from God then the list of qualified candidates has to be as long as your arm.
But NO. Put up damaged goods, fight to the death. If you lose (Bork), then whine about the injustice for the next three decades. If you win, the reputation of the court is tainted for three decades (Thomas, Kavanaugh). Neither would be the case if you just said, "It's not worth the damage to our government, let's find someone better."
Re: why do they vote twice? - NewtonMP2100 - 10-06-2018
.....the same reason one asks one's spouse to repeat something again.....and then still don't hear it.....
Re: why do they vote twice? - Markintosh - 10-06-2018
Sarcany wrote:
I like that they couldn't do it all in a single vote. This way, they have some extra time to think it over.
Do they really think? It seems like any thinking going on is just looking for ways to justify their yes vote...
Re: why do they vote twice? - Sarcany - 10-06-2018
Markintosh wrote:
[quote=Sarcany]
I like that they couldn't do it all in a single vote. This way, they have some extra time to think it over.
Do they really think? It seems like any thinking going on is just looking for ways to justify their yes vote...
And it also gives republican leaders the opportunity to blackmail/bribe/make-deals to rig the vote.
There are upsides and downsides.
But i’m a bit of a romantic. I still think that when given a little time to think, people’s sensibilities and consciences will win out.
And I think that this was rushed through precisely to keep that from happening.
Re: why do they vote twice? - Ted King - 10-06-2018
Acer wrote:
Ya know, the brinksmanship here was completely unnecessary. So the opposition found a serious flaw. Whatever. Go back to the list and find another. Life would go on for Kavanaugh, he'll be fine making bank on the white male outrage speaker circuit if he's not on the court. If Conservatism is Received from God then the list of qualified candidates has to be as long as your arm.
But NO. Put up damaged goods, fight to the death. If you lose (Bork), then whine about the injustice for the next three decades. If you win, the reputation of the court is tainted for three decades (Thomas, Kavanaugh). Neither would be the case if you just said, "It's not worth the damage to our government, let's find someone better."
Here! Here!
From the moment Kennedy said he was going to retire, it was obvious that Trump was going to pick a candidate put forward by the Federalist Society - a candidate that would please both rich people and social conservatives (the two primary power centers for Republicans). That was nearly inevitably going to happen. Trump picked a rotten egg of a candidate. When it became apparent that Kavanaugh was a rotten egg, Trump could have easily ditched him and picked another white guy off the Federalist list that wasn't such an ethical stinker, got that person confirmed and ended up with that person voting on Supreme Court cases pretty much like Kavanaugh would have (keep rich people and social conservatives happy).
But NO (as you say), they decided that turning this into a partisan competition was more important than keeping a relatively character deficient person off the court.
Re: why do they vote twice? - sekker - 10-06-2018
Kennedy made a deal with Trump for Judge K.
Everyone is missing this prequel to our current story.
Re: why do they vote twice? - SteveG - 10-06-2018
The GOP never changes. In fact, they just get worse.
July 1, 1991
The President: I am very pleased to announce that I will nominate Judge Clarence Thomas to serve as Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court. Clarence Thomas was my first appointee to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia, where he served for over a year. And I believe he'll be a great Justice. He is the best person for this position.
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I have followed this man's career for some time, and he has excelled in everything that he has attempted. He is a delightful and warm, intelligent person who has great empathy and a wonderful sense of humor. He's also a fiercely independent thinker with an excellent legal mind who believes passionately in equal opportunity for all Americans. He will approach the cases that come before the Court with a commitment to deciding them fairly, as the facts and the law require.
Judge Thomas' life is a model for all Americans, and he's earned the right to sit on this Nation's highest Court. And I am very proud, indeed, to nominate him for this position, and I trust that the Senate will confirm this able man promptly.
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"He is the best-qualified at this time," Bush said.