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What do you think of this poll, about Medicare for All? - deckeda - 08-28-2019

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/28/medicare-for-all-obamacare-2020-democrats-poll-1476437

“Most” Democrats want it, it seems to say.

My question is, is that the Left’s “border wall” issue ... enough to elect a president, but a pipe dream? It’s not a great analogy. But I thought it was more a liberal thing, not a centrist thing despite Biden having been pulled in that direction.


Re: What do you think of this poll, about Medicare for All? - Speedy - 08-28-2019

Baby steps.

Let’s see what happens with the lawsuit to end Obamacare.


Re: What do you think of this poll, about Medicare for All? - Acer - 08-28-2019

Our local, humble "Non-Profit" Health Insurer owns a sky-scraper and would never allow it. But, we were one Lieberman away from the Public Option ten years ago so something lesser might still be possible.


Re: What do you think of this poll, about Medicare for All? - cbelt3 - 08-28-2019

Speedy wrote:
Baby steps.

Let’s see what happens with the lawsuit to end Obamacare.
It's already been repeatedly illegally sabotaged by the Trump administration.


Re: What do you think of this poll, about Medicare for All? - deckeda - 08-28-2019

The problem with the ACA is that even when it's not being sabotaged daily, it's not nearly as progressively helpful (read: "socialistic" if you're a Republican) as it could be. Conservatives have had multiple opportunities to showcase its imperfections.

There was a big fight for the "outrageous" Medicare back in the 1960s that's taken for granted today, but it happened with Democratic majorities. That genie won't be put back in, just like the part about the ACA's pre-existing conditions remains solid, and sold, with voters.

I'd go so far to say that the ideology behind pre-existing conditions being protected lies at the core of why using the government's power to heal its citizens is just, on a humanitarian scale.


Re: What do you think of this poll, about Medicare for All? - Lemon Drop - 08-28-2019

We're a long way from knowing what healthcare policy will become the 2020 Democratic platform. I've always favored a single-payer system as a way to get the profit motive out of healthcare and ensure that everyone has access to quality affordable care. Obamacare has never been fully implemented but was/is a big step in the right direction.

There will always be private insurance and private hospitals for those who can or will pay more, they have those all over Europe and in the UK. In Canada most hospitals are run privately as nonprofits; they are not owned and operated by the government; the government operates the payment system.

I think more Americans have a better understanding now of how other systems work, compared with 10 years ago. We just need to keep having this conversations and debates and get people into office who are willing to follow what the people want.


Re: What do you think of this poll, about Medicare for All? - vision63 - 08-28-2019

We could have passed the ACA with a Republican majority in the 80's with a strong charismatic President. Any reasonable person wants Single Payer. Kobe isn't going to come down the lane and slam dunk that shit. You gotta go through the playoffs first because of the fierceness of an opposition that gets more and more desperate ever year they become less influential. They don't concede any ground and it's just going to get worse even if we win.

They always have the advantage. It takes a fraction of the effort to tear down institutions than it does the effort to build them up. We're not going to win every election and everything we want takes time.


Re: What do you think of this poll, about Medicare for All? - pdq - 08-28-2019

I’m with Speedy. Baby steps.

We can first rescue Obamacare, and then add a public option. If the latter works, it will become obvious and drive us toward a more rational healthcare system over time.

Can’t turn a battleship (especially this battleship, I think) on a dime.


Re: What do you think of this poll, about Medicare for All? - Lemon Drop - 08-28-2019

vision63 wrote:
We could have passed the ACA with a Republican majority in the 80's with a strong charismatic President. Any reasonable person wants Single Payer. Kobe isn't going to come down the lane and slam dunk that shit. You gotta go through the playoffs first because of the fierceness of an opposition that gets more and more desperate ever year they become less influential. They don't concede any ground and it's just going to get worse even if we win.

They always have the advantage. It takes a fraction of the effort to tear down institutions than it does the effort to build them up. We're not going to win every election and everything we want takes time.

I think that's a generous assessment about why we don't yet have universal health care in the US and every other industrialized western nation does. We should have had this by the 1940s. It goes back to our racist history, I'm sorry to say.


In 1945, when President Truman called on Congress to expand the nation’s hospital system as part of a larger health care plan, Southern Democrats obtained key concessions that shaped the American medical landscape for decades to come. The Hill-Burton Act provided federal grants for hospital construction to communities in need, giving funding priority to rural areas (many of them in the South). But it also ensured that states controlled the disbursement of funds and could segregate resulting facilities.

Professional societies like the American Medical Association barred black doctors; medical schools excluded black students, and most hospitals and health clinics segregated black patients. Federal health care policy was designed, both implicitly and explicitly, to exclude black Americans.


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/universal-health-care-racism.html


Re: What do you think of this poll, about Medicare for All? - vision63 - 08-28-2019

Lemon Drop wrote:
[quote=vision63]
We could have passed the ACA with a Republican majority in the 80's with a strong charismatic President. Any reasonable person wants Single Payer. Kobe isn't going to come down the lane and slam dunk that shit. You gotta go through the playoffs first because of the fierceness of an opposition that gets more and more desperate ever year they become less influential. They don't concede any ground and it's just going to get worse even if we win.

They always have the advantage. It takes a fraction of the effort to tear down institutions than it does the effort to build them up. We're not going to win every election and everything we want takes time.

I think that's a generous assessment about why we don't yet have universal health care in the US and every other industrialized western nation does. We should have had this by the 1940s. It goes back to our racist history, I'm sorry to say.


In 1945, when President Truman called on Congress to expand the nation’s hospital system as part of a larger health care plan, Southern Democrats obtained key concessions that shaped the American medical landscape for decades to come. The Hill-Burton Act provided federal grants for hospital construction to communities in need, giving funding priority to rural areas (many of them in the South). But it also ensured that states controlled the disbursement of funds and could segregate resulting facilities.

Professional societies like the American Medical Association barred black doctors; medical schools excluded black students, and most hospitals and health clinics segregated black patients. Federal health care policy was designed, both implicitly and explicitly, to exclude black Americans.


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/universal-health-care-racism.html
I think by the 80's we crossed a lot of the barriers you mention and we had a congress that was much more cooperative. That ended in the 90's ('94 to be specific). I'm not saying it would have passed. I am saying that the political conditions that would have been required for it to pass was possible then. where I don't believe it is now and I believe that window is closed for the time being.