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About sums up the ideological differences - PeterB - 12-01-2019
Apologies if already posted, this is making the Fb rounds:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1199048078059167744.html
... I lost it when I got to the part about the Russian troll online...
Re: About sums up the ideological differences - deckeda - 12-01-2019
That's pretty much it. I've read at various times this strategy is exactly what several strategists aim for:
1) Plant ridiculous story
2) Story gets picked up due to "controversy" and gains legitimacy
3) Amplified
4) Gashlight
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This isn't simply however "the media's fault." If a government official says/tweets something it should indeed be reported.
Where they've made grave errors over the last few years was to NOT additionally include "but it's B.S." in the same phrase or paragraph. Sometimes they've included it but many paragraphs later. Sometimes they'll include the necessary schooling but the headline doesn't allude to the B.S.
I read a lot of Washington Post and they reliably will note when what the elected politico is saying is essentially a lie.
Re: About sums up the ideological differences - PeterB - 12-01-2019
deckeda wrote:
That's pretty much it. I've read at various times this strategy is exactly what several strategists aim for:
1) Plant ridiculous story
2) Story gets picked up due to "controversy" and gains legitimacy
3) Amplified
4) Gashlight
********************
This isn't simply however "the media's fault." If a government official says/tweets something it should indeed be reported.
Where they've made grave errors over the last few years was to NOT additionally include "but it's B.S." in the same phrase or paragraph. Sometimes they've included it but many paragraphs later. Sometimes they'll include the necessary schooling but the headline doesn't allude to the B.S.
I read a lot of Washington Post and they reliably will note when what the elected politico is saying is essentially a lie.
I think where the media has really screwed up is by (as the tweet puts it) legitimizing, or as others have put it, normalizing the garbage. For example, there is no such thing as "alternative facts", and the reluctance of many in the media to just call it for what it is, e.g., lies, is telling of a lack of backbone that was there previously. The media themselves are well aware that they've been normalizing, and have even commented outright that they're aware of it. Part of the reason they've lost their backbone: https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2019-11-29/does-network-tv-news-still-want-to-be-in-the-investigative-reporting-business
What we really need from the media right now is some very serious investigative reporting in a way that cannot be done by Congress, e.g., blowing open everything that's going on right now, in the same way that was done by Woodward and Bernstein. I can't imagine that there isn't tons and tons of dirt to be dug up right now, that is just waiting for the right person(s) with the right shovel.
Re: About sums up the ideological differences - RgrF - 12-01-2019
This was addressed by the Columbia Journalism Review in an article titled CNN public editor: The business of bunk, then debunk, the click-thru headline was The hypocrisy of CNN's one-hour special on the president’s lies
Re: About sums up the ideological differences - mrbigstuff - 12-01-2019
Old news. Really, you'd have to be pretty checked out to not also have observed this.
Re: About sums up the ideological differences - RgrF - 12-01-2019
Journalism dies when it demurs from calling bulls hit from fact. When it gives equal time to obvious lies, it's no longer journalism - it then entertainment and that's what we all want, isn't it?
Re: About sums up the ideological differences - PeterB - 12-01-2019
mrbigstuff wrote:
Old news. Really, you'd have to be pretty checked out to not also have observed this.
True. It's just that when it gets to the point of impeachment hearings (as it has), and the media is still tuning things out, you have to wonder what the heck is going on.
And yes, the line between journalism and entertainment has become blurred ... and no, not all of us want entertainment.
Re: About sums up the ideological differences - pdq - 12-01-2019
Meh - I’ve been encouraged by the Ukraine stuff. There was a time when the papers would say Republicans allege this and that about the Bidens and Ukraine, and either leave it at that or say Joe Biden denies. Now at least, in nearly every story I read (ie not part of the wingnutosphere), this is followed by “there is no evidence of wrongdoing (by the Bidens in Ukraine)”.
Maybe these are baby steps, but they’re in the right direction.
Re: About sums up the ideological differences - deckeda - 12-01-2019
So ... today Sen. Kennedy was given another try at defending his comments last week about "both" Russian and Ukrainian interference in our 2016 election.
You all may recall that he tried to backtrack his Fox TV comments made earlier. But on Meet the Press, it was game on!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sen-kennedy-says-both-ukraine-and-russia-interfered-in-2016-election-despite-intelligence-communitys-assessment/2019/12/01/09652dd8-1459-11ea-9110-3b34ce1d92b1_story.html
WaPo wrote:
Todd then pressed Kennedy: “You realize the only other person selling this argument outside the United States is this man, Vladimir Putin. ... You have done exactly what the Russian operation is trying to get American politicians to do. Are you at all concerned that you’ve been duped?”
“No, because you — just read the articles,” Kennedy replied.
This is modern ideological differences writ large. One side responds to reality. The other side "believes" what they want.
Re: About sums up the ideological differences - mrbigstuff - 12-01-2019
PeterB wrote:
[quote=mrbigstuff]
Old news. Really, you'd have to be pretty checked out to not also have observed this.
True. It's just that when it gets to the point of impeachment hearings (as it has), and the media is still tuning things out, you have to wonder what the heck is going on.
Not an ad hominem reply on my part, just an observation. Most of us here seem to be much more clued in to the psychology behind the Orange Movement than the general populace.