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Now it's not merely impeachment- It's a treason trial - SteveG - 01-26-2021
Impeached for crimes against America. Now it's finding the treason conviction.
Resolution impeaching Donald John Trump, President of the United States, for high crimes and misdemeanors.
Resolved, the Donald John Trump, President of the United States, is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors and that the following article of impeachment be exhibited to the United States Senate:
Article of impeachment exhibited by the House of Representatives of the United States of America in the name of itself and of the people of the United States of America, against Donald John Trump, President of the United States of America, in maintenance and support of its impeachment against him for high crimes and misdemeanors.
ARTICLE 1: INCITEMENT OF INSURRECTION
The Constitution provides that the House of Representatives "shall have the sole Power of Impeachment" and that the President "shall be removed from Office on Impeachment, for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." Further, section 3 of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution prohibits any person who has "engaged in insurrection or rebellion against" the United States from "hold[ing] and office ... under the United States.' In his conduct while President of the United States — and in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, provide, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States and in violation of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed — Donald John Trump engaged in high Crimes and Misdemeanors by inciting violence against the Government of the United States, in that:
On January 6, 2021, pursuant to the 12th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, the Vice President of the United States, the House of Representatives, and the Senate met at the United States Capitol for a Joint Session of Congress to count the votes of the Electoral College. In the months preceding the Joint Session, President Trump repeatedly issued false statements asserting that the Presidential election results were the product of widespread fraud and should not be accepted by the American people or certified by State or Federal officials. Shortly before the Joint Session commenced, President Trump, addressed a crowd at the Ellipse in Washington, D.C. There, he reiterated false claims that "we won this election, and we won it by a landslide." He also willfully made statements that, in context, encouraged — and foreseeably resulted in — lawless action at the Capitol, such as: "if you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore." Thus incited by President Trump, members of the crowd he had addressed, in an attempt to, among other objectives, interfere with the Joint Session's solemn constitutional duty to certify the results of the 2020 Presidential election, unlawfully breached and vandalized the Capitol, injured and killed law enforcement personnel, menaced Members of Congress, the Vice President, and Congressional personnel, and engaged in other violent, deadly, destructive and seditious acts.
President Trump's conduct on January 6, 2021, followed his prior efforts to subvert and obstruct the certification of the results of the 2020 Presidential election. Those prior efforts included a phone call on January 2, 2021, during which President Trump urged the secretary of state of Georgia, Brad Raffensperger, to "find" enough votes to overturn the Georgia Presidential election results and threatened Secretary Raffensperger if he failed to do so.
In all this, President Trump gravely endangered the security of the United States and its institutions of Government. He threatened the integrity of the democratic system, interfered with the peaceful transition of power, and imperiled a coequal branch of Government. He thereby betrayed his trust as President, to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.
Wherefore, Donald John Trump, by such conduct, has demonstrated that he will remain a threat to national security, democracy, and the Constitution if allowed to remain in office, and has acted in a manner grossly incompatible with self-governance and the rule of law. Donald John Trump thus warrants impeachment and trial, removal from office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor, trust, or profit under the United States.
Re: Now it's not merely impeachment- It's a treason trial - Ombligo - 01-26-2021
The only way the Democrats will get 17 Republicans to vote for it is to get Trump to do something worse than sedition against the US, he will need to switch parties.
Re: Now it's not merely impeachment- It's a treason trial - $tevie - 01-26-2021
I think the two week wait is good. I feel as if more will be coming out that will make Trump look even worse than he does now.
Re: Now it's not merely impeachment- It's a treason trial - pdq - 01-26-2021
Ombligo wrote:
The only way the Democrats will get 17 Republicans to vote for it is to get Trump to do something worse than sedition against the US, he will need to switch parties.
miley-laughing001:
Re: Now it's not merely impeachment- It's a treason trial - Rolando - 01-26-2021
Ombligo wrote:
The only way the Democrats will get 17 Republicans to vote for it is to get Trump to do something worse than sedition against the US, he will need to switch parties.
conviction of any accused officer requires “concurrence of two thirds of the members present”
PRESENT.
So if 25 R's decided to be not present, would that make 50 D's 2/3 of the (at most) 75 Senators present?
Re: Now it's not merely impeachment- It's a treason trial - steve... - 01-26-2021
So if 25 R's decided to be not present, would that make 50 D's 2/3 of the (at most) 75 Senators present?
YES!
Wouldn't this be an easy way out for senators afraid of being primaried?
Re: Now it's not merely impeachment- It's a treason trial - RgrF - 01-26-2021
steve... wrote:
So if 25 R's decided to be not present, would that make 50 D's 2/3 of the (at most) 75 Senators present?
YES!
Wouldn't this be an easy way out for senators afraid of being primaried?
No! They'd be label turncoats and cowards and the first to be primaried.
Re: Now it's not merely impeachment- It's a treason trial - $tevie - 01-26-2021
steve... wrote:Yes, it would, and I've heard it brought up before for just that reason. If there was ever a gang of potential cowards to be found, it's right there in the Senate Republicans. The ones that aren't treasonous, that is.
So if 25 R's decided to be not present, would that make 50 D's 2/3 of the (at most) 75 Senators present?
YES!
Wouldn't this be an easy way out for senators afraid of being primaried?
Re: Now it's not merely impeachment- It's a treason trial - Don C - 01-26-2021
I was wondering about that, now that Patriot Rand Paul has declared the whole thing is unnecessary. He could start a movement for those who refuse to be involved. I like it!
Re: Now it's not merely impeachment- It's a treason trial - Lemon Drop - 01-26-2021
If they don't convict, he'll run again in 2024 and probably win the nomonation. Senate repubs have to decide if they want that or not.
Let's envision a Kamala v Don debate.
We're about to find out how afraid they are of their own base. Romney is spelling it out for them.