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"Franklin Pierce, Andrew Johnson and James Buchanan are demanding an audit of the election results" - hal - 06-30-2021
Here are the results of the Presidential Historians Survey of presidents ranked from best to worst. I managed to paste a table of numbers fairly successfully. The first number is the total score (you can click on each name for a breakdown on the original page). The next number is this year's ranking, the next is the ranking from 2017, then 2009, then 2000. The big news is that Trump is not the worst!
https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2021/?page=overall Subject line stolen from Karen Tumulty on twitter
President Score 2021 2017 2009 2000
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Abraham Lincoln 897 1 1 1 1
George Washington 851 2 2 2 3
Franklin D. Roosevelt 841 3 3 3 2
Theodore Roosevelt 785 4 4 4 4
Dwight D. Eisenhower 734 5 5 8 9
Harry S. Truman 713 6 6 5 5
Thomas Jefferson 704 7 7 7 7
John F. Kennedy 699 8 8 6 8
Ronald Reagan 681 9 9 10 11
Barack Obama 664 10 12 NA NA
Lyndon B. Johnson 654 11 10 11 10
James Monroe 643 12 13 15 14
Woodrow Wilson 617 13 11 9 6
William McKinley 612 14 16 16 15
John Adams 609 15 19 17 16
James Madison 604 16 17 20 18
John Quincy Adams 603 17 21 19 19
James K. Polk 599 18 14 12 12
William J. Clinton 594 19 15 14 21
Ulysses S. Grant 590 20 22 23 33
George H. W. Bush 585 21 20 18 20
Andrew Jackson 568 22 18 13 13
William Howard Taft 543 23 24 24 24
Calvin Coolidge 535 24 26 26 27
Grover Cleveland 523 25 23 21 17
Jimmy Carter 506 26 27 25 22
James A. Garfield 506 27 29 28 29
Gerald R. Ford 498 28 25 22 23
George W. Bush 495 29 33 36 NA
Chester A. Arthur 472 30 35 32 32
Richard M. Nixon 464 31 28 27 26
Benjamin Harrison 462 32 30 30 31
Rutherford B. Hayes 456 33 31 33 25
Martin Van Buren 455 34 34 31 30
Zachary Taylor 449 35 32 29 28
Herbert Hoover 396 36 36 34 34
Warren G. Harding 388 37 40 38 38
Millard Fillmore 378 38 37 37 35
John Tyler 354 39 39 35 36
William Henry Harrison 354 40 38 39 37
Donald J. Trump 312 41 NA NA NA
Franklin Pierce 312 42 41 40 39
Andrew Johnson 230 43 42 41 40
James Buchanan 227 44 43 42 41
Re: "Franklin Pierce, Andrew Johnson and James Buchanan are demanding an audit of the election results" - Speedy - 06-30-2021
Raygun bests Obama who bests LBJ? Give me a break. No, Trump is the worst, just nudging out Andrew Johnson.
Re: "Franklin Pierce, Andrew Johnson and James Buchanan are demanding an audit of the election results" - Rolando - 06-30-2021
I think you have to rate post 1900 Presidents on both Domestic and Foreign scores.
LBJ would get high scores domestically, low Foreign.
I'd Give Obama High Domestic, middling Foreign
Trump would get worst on both levels!
Re: "Franklin Pierce, Andrew Johnson and James Buchanan are demanding an audit of the election results" - TheCaber - 06-30-2021
hal wrote:
Here are the results of the Presidential Historians Survey of presidents ranked from best to worst. I managed to paste a table of numbers fairly successfully. The first number is the total score (you can click on each name for a breakdown on the original page). The next number is this year's ranking, the next is the ranking from 2017, then 2009, then 2000. The big news is that Trump is not the worst!
https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2021/?page=overall Subject line stolen from Karen Tumulty on twitter
President Score 2021 2017 2009 2000
---------------- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
Abraham Lincoln 897 1 1 1 1
George Washington 851 2 2 2 3
Franklin D. Roosevelt 841 3 3 3 2
Theodore Roosevelt 785 4 4 4 4
Dwight D. Eisenhower 734 5 5 8 9
Harry S. Truman 713 6 6 5 5
Thomas Jefferson 704 7 7 7 7
John F. Kennedy 699 8 8 6 8
Ronald Reagan 681 9 9 10 11
Barack Obama 664 10 12 NA NA
Lyndon B. Johnson 654 11 10 11 10
James Monroe 643 12 13 15 14
Woodrow Wilson 617 13 11 9 6
William McKinley 612 14 16 16 15
John Adams 609 15 19 17 16
James Madison 604 16 17 20 18
John Quincy Adams 603 17 21 19 19
James K. Polk 599 18 14 12 12
William J. Clinton 594 19 15 14 21
Ulysses S. Grant 590 20 22 23 33
George H. W. Bush 585 21 20 18 20
Andrew Jackson 568 22 18 13 13
William Howard Taft 543 23 24 24 24
Calvin Coolidge 535 24 26 26 27
Grover Cleveland 523 25 23 21 17
Jimmy Carter 506 26 27 25 22
James A. Garfield 506 27 29 28 29
Gerald R. Ford 498 28 25 22 23
George W. Bush 495 29 33 36 NA
Chester A. Arthur 472 30 35 32 32
Richard M. Nixon 464 31 28 27 26
Benjamin Harrison 462 32 30 30 31
Rutherford B. Hayes 456 33 31 33 25
Martin Van Buren 455 34 34 31 30
Zachary Taylor 449 35 32 29 28
Herbert Hoover 396 36 36 34 34
Warren G. Harding 388 37 40 38 38
Millard Fillmore 378 38 37 37 35
John Tyler 354 39 39 35 36
William Henry Harrison 354 40 38 39 37
Donald J. Trump 312 41 NA NA NA
Franklin Pierce 312 42 41 40 39
Andrew Johnson 230 43 42 41 40
James Buchanan 227 44 43 42 41
Used a code box for equitable Tab treatment, then edited to adjust spacing, add headers.
HTH, enjoy.
Re: "Franklin Pierce, Andrew Johnson and James Buchanan are demanding an audit of the election results" - hal - 06-30-2021
nice! I didn't know the forum could do that
Re: "Franklin Pierce, Andrew Johnson and James Buchanan are demanding an audit of the election results" - SteveG - 06-30-2021
What is Reagan doing there?
Re: "Franklin Pierce, Andrew Johnson and James Buchanan are demanding an audit of the election results" - PeterB - 06-30-2021
Independent of the numbers, there's still this:
Re: "Franklin Pierce, Andrew Johnson and James Buchanan are demanding an audit of the election results" - Ted King - 07-01-2021
n 2000, C-SPAN's original team of academic advisers devised a survey in which participants used a 1 ("not effective") to 10 ("very effective") scale to rate each president on 10 qualities of presidential leadership: Public Persuasion, Crisis Leadership, Economic Management, Moral Authority, International Relations, Administrative Skills, Relations with Congress, Vision/Setting an Agenda, Pursued Equal Justice for All and Performance Within the Context of the Times. In 2009, 2017 and 2021, following a change in administrations, subsequent surveys have been conducted using these same 10 characteristics.
Any kind of survey like this is limited by the nature of the particular categories that are presented to evaluate each president. There are probably a large number of other such ways of creating categories for evaluating the presidents and each different set of categories is going to shade the overall rankings because of the nature of the different categories putting more or less emphasis on important but different things. For example, none of the categories above explicitly mentions democracy and how the president functioned to support it. I think a good case could be made that supporting democracy is one of the most important things a president can do.
I think it is insufficient to evaluate Trump without taking major account of how hard he tried and close he came to having a successful coup against our democracy. The fact is that he tried really hard (and is still trying) to do so. The preface of our Constitution begins with these words, "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union..." I believe that in terms of equality of people and democracy we have been perfecting our union. I think that makes Trump's actions that much more relatively egregious. We have come so far from the beginning (though still a long way to go) in perfecting our union and this mentally ill man came way too damn close to undoing it all.
In a way it seems kinda unserious to try to ferret out the order of the worst presidents we have had. I mean, yeah there's a few that clearly belong at the bottom somewhere, but to try to put a number on where they fall is probably not all that meaningful. It depends too much on what you want to focus on and how much you value certain characteristics.
Re: "Franklin Pierce, Andrew Johnson and James Buchanan are demanding an audit of the election results" - RgrF - 07-01-2021
Not to mention that those of recent or even distant personal memory will be disproportionately represented on both ends of any table.
Re: "Franklin Pierce, Andrew Johnson and James Buchanan are demanding an audit of the election results" - S. Pupp - 07-01-2021
“All the winning!”
“All the whining” is more like it, for the angry orangutan.
Trump should be above Buchanan, but below the rest.
What a loser.