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NYC. You wanted ranked choice elections despite my warnings.. - vision63 - 07-02-2021
Now ya got it. Election day was on the 22nd of June. Lordy.
Re: NYC. You wanted ranked choice elections despite my warnings.. - RgrF - 07-02-2021
If you don't want something to work and you're in charge of the levers of government charged with making it work, guess what - it won't work. Cambridge, Mass, one of the least corrupt city governments around, has made it work for over 50 years.
Re: NYC. You wanted ranked choice elections despite my warnings.. - vision63 - 07-02-2021
RgrF wrote:
If you don't want something to work and you're in charge of the levers of government charged with making it work, guess what - it won't work. Cambridge, Mass, one of the least corrupt city governments around, has made it work for over 50 years.
That's like saying Inglewood has made it work for 50 years. C'mon man.
Re: NYC. You wanted ranked choice elections despite my warnings.. - NewtonMP2100 - 07-02-2021
....so it smells a bit......rank.....???
Re: NYC. You wanted ranked choice elections despite my warnings.. - DeusxMac - 07-02-2021
vision63 wrote:
[quote=RgrF]
If you don't want something to work and you're in charge of the levers of government charged with making it work, guess what - it won't work. Cambridge, Mass, one of the least corrupt city governments around, has made it work for over 50 years.
That's like saying Inglewood has made it work for 50 years. C'mon man.
Fallacy of composition – assuming that something true of part of a whole must also be true of the whole.
Re: NYC. You wanted ranked choice elections despite my warnings.. - Lux Interior - 07-02-2021
Yes, if a tightly run ship like the NY board of elections can't run RC voting, who can?
Re: NYC. You wanted ranked choice elections despite my warnings.. - Acer - 07-02-2021
New system needs bugs worked out when massively scaled up? Never happens in the private sector, right?
Give it time. Rome wasn't built, etc.
Re: NYC. You wanted ranked choice elections despite my warnings.. - vision63 - 07-02-2021
DeusxMac wrote:
[quote=vision63]
[quote=RgrF]
If you don't want something to work and you're in charge of the levers of government charged with making it work, guess what - it won't work. Cambridge, Mass, one of the least corrupt city governments around, has made it work for over 50 years.
That's like saying Inglewood has made it work for 50 years. C'mon man.
Fallacy of composition – assuming that something true of part of a whole must also be true of the whole.
They're two cities of the same size. Inglewood and Cambridge are pipsqueaks with just over 100,000 people each.
Ranked choice just a ploy to allow marginal candidates an avenue to negotiate their way to a potential victory. Candidates form alliances and make deals to steer their constituencies. It's not a straight vote. A democracy means the majority wins the first time. Not some round-robin tennis match.
Re: NYC. You wanted ranked choice elections despite my warnings.. - vision63 - 07-02-2021
Acer wrote:
New system needs bugs worked out when massively scaled up? Never happens in the private sector, right?
Give it time. Rome wasn't built, etc.
We've had ranked choice in California (San Francisco/Oakland) for years. It's not new. But they effed it up anyway in NYC. Couldn't wait to do it. Our unfair "open" primaries in California are a whole other ridiculous system designed to uplift the unpopular. It hardly ever works. They're popularly known as "Jungle Primaries."
Everybody is afraid of people simply voting.
Re: NYC. You wanted ranked choice elections despite my warnings.. - DeusxMac - 07-02-2021
vision63 wrote:
Ranked choice just a ploy to allow marginal candidates an avenue to negotiate their way to a potential victory. Candidates form alliances and make deals to steer their constituencies. It's not a straight vote. A democracy means the majority wins the first time. Not some round-robin tennis match.
The Heritage Foundation agrees with you. https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/report/ranked-choice-voting-bad-choice