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Interesting research on mass shootings - Mr645 - 05-02-2023
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/05/27/stopping-mass-shooters-q-a-00035762
Re: Interesting research on mass shootings - Acer - 05-02-2023
POLITICO: So, what are the solutions?
Densley: There are things we can do right now as individuals, like safe storage of firearms or something as simple as checking in with your kid.
Peterson: Then we really need resources at institutions like schools. We need to build teams to investigate when kids are in crisis and then link those kids to mental health services. The problem is that in a lot of places, those services are not there. There’s no community mental health and no school-based mental health. Schools are the ideal setting because it doesn’t require a parent to take you there. A lot of perpetrators are from families where the parents are not particularly proactive about mental health appointments.
Alright, sounds good. How can we do this better?
Re: Interesting research on mass shootings - DeusxMac - 05-02-2023
The problem is that in a lot of places, those services are not there. There’s no community mental health and no school-based mental health.
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Re: Interesting research on mass shootings - kj - 05-02-2023
Our public schools are chock full of mental health practitioners, so I have no idea how other states/districts can't afford it.
Re: Interesting research on mass shootings - Mr645 - 05-02-2023
I have been a strong proponent for mental health research for a long time.
That and economic opportunity in inner cities, provide a path to success that does not involved drugs, guns and gangs.
We need to stop blaming the rifle and put blame on the killers, then we can work to find solutions to end it
Re: Interesting research on mass shootings - DeusxMac - 05-02-2023
kj wrote:
Our public schools are chock full of mental health practitioners, so I have no idea how other states/districts can't afford it.
It's a function of WHERE.
Some districts have the money and allocate it, some have the money but don't allocate it, and some simply don't have the money.
This chart appears to be from 2018.
https://www.basicknowledge101.com/resources/educationreform.html
Re: Interesting research on mass shootings - Acer - 05-02-2023
Mr645 wrote:
I have been a strong proponent for mental health research for a long time.
That and economic opportunity in inner cities, provide a path to success that does not involved drugs, guns and gangs.
We need to stop blaming the rifle and put blame on the killers, then we can work to find solutions to end it
It's is my impression that the political forces that share your viewpoint on guns are not in a hurry to fund mental health research or improving economic opportunity in inner cities.
Re: Interesting research on mass shootings - kj - 05-02-2023
DeusxMac wrote:
[quote=kj]
Our public schools are chock full of mental health practitioners, so I have no idea how other states/districts can't afford it.
It's a function of WHERE.
Some districts have the money and allocate it, some have the money but don't allocate it, and some simply don't have the money.
This chart appears to be from 2018.
https://www.basicknowledge101.com/resources/educationreform.html
The reason I said that is because I actually am in the "where" they can't "afford" it. Yet they do. We also have band, choir, orchestra in the public schools, even elementary, even though we're in one of the "where's" that can't afford it. Maybe it isn't a function of "where", or of even money spent per student.
Re: Interesting research on mass shootings - Ca Bob - 05-02-2023
So the study finds that when you look at people who actually did a mass shooting, you find seriously disturbed individuals who don't generally fit into the definition of insanity that would get them confined in an institution, largely because we don't generally do that sort of thing unless they commit some horrible crime first. Then they get "not guilty by reason of insanity" and go to the state hospital instead of prison.
But the really obvious alternative answer -- to limit gun possession -- is not even considered in the article up to the point I read. What's missing in the article is any quantitative argument: Just how many of these isolated, unhappy, potentially suicidal young people are there? A hundred thousand? A million? And even if we could identify them, what would we do, unless it's the idea of the red flag laws?
But serious reduction in high power, semiautomatic weapons would reduce the chance that any one of them would have the tools available at the time of the final crackup.
The continuing argument that we ought to look at the person, not the gun, is denial of the reality.
And of course there is the other point, that in most civilized countries in the industrial west, the mass homicide rate is low because the level of gun ownership is low in comparison to ours. It's interesting that the Swiss are more or less midway in the graph between other European countries and the US, almost exactly matching their higher level of gun ownership on the graph.
Re: Interesting research on mass shootings - DeusxMac - 05-02-2023
kj wrote:
The reason I said that is because I actually am in the "where" they can't "afford" it. Yet they do. We also have band, choir, orchestra in the public schools, even elementary, even though we're in one of the "where's" that can't afford it. Maybe it isn't a function of "where", or of even money spent per student.
How do they "afford" services they "can't afford"??
If they do, then by definition, they can.