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Go Al Gore Go! Don't let the facts get in your way. - spearmint - 06-30-2007
The Sun Times is not at all conservative.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/otherviews/450392,CST-EDT-REF30b.article
Re: Go Al Gore Go! Don't let the facts get in your way. - Don Kiyoti - 06-30-2007
Spearmint, are you really so dim? Did you look to see who wrote that EDITORIAL? Hint: editorials and news stories are NOT the same.
The Sun Times may not be so conservative, but the Heartland Institute is:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Heartland_Institute
Funny you should accuse Gore of not letting facts get in his way, when you yourself have yet to include any facts to support your ravings.
Re: Go Al Gore Go! Don't let the facts get in your way. - Gutenberg - 07-01-2007
Minty, most dailies have an editorial page and an op-ed page. The editorial page is generally on the left page if you are reading the paper as a spread. That page has editorials written by the paper's editorial board and representing the paper's institutional point of view. It also usually includes letters to the editor from readers of the paper, either reacting to stories published in the paper or bringing up a subject of interest to the paper's readers. The op-ed page can contain all sorts of opinions. It does not represent the paper's point of view. The editorial board, by the way, is separate from the reporting and news staff.
The Heartland Institute is somewhere to the right of Rush Limbaugh, and is one of the last "think tanks" to deny the existence of global warming. I think the Heartland Institute admitted the earth was round when NASA published the pictures from the Gemini program.
Re: Go Al Gore Go! Don't let the facts get in your way. - lafinfil - 07-01-2007
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> I think the Heartland Institute admitted the earth was round when NASA published the pictures from the Gemini program.
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Oh, so you believe that those shots are really from "outer space" are real ?
Next thing you will tell us that the "moon landing" was real and not done on a Hollywood sound stage.
: -)
Re: Go Al Gore Go! Don't let the facts get in your way. - spearmint - 07-01-2007
I never said it was an article but the facts are concrete. Everytime I post stuff like this people attack the sources to discount it. You cannot in this case. Nature Magazine is fallacious?
Re: Go Al Gore Go! Don't let the facts get in your way. - Gutenberg - 07-01-2007
He quotes a four-year-old story in Nature which says that the shrinking of the snow cap on Mt. Kilimanjaro may be caused by man (deforestation) if it is not caused by global warming. Your point?
Re: Go Al Gore Go! Don't let the facts get in your way. - spearmint - 07-01-2007
Re: Kilimanjaro. Not Global Warming but man is bad again.
Re: Go Al Gore Go! Don't let the facts get in your way. - MacMagus - 07-01-2007
Science is not made up of a bunch of people shouting "nya nya, I'm right so you're wrong."
As we accumulate more facts, we refine our hypotheses. Models change. The studies that Gore cited supported a conclusion that still has validity under the current model which also includes the study from Nature.
As an aside, I find it interesting that among the author's distortions, he made one particular bold and obvious lie about a statement by Gore and that lie -- which has been popularly propagated and debunked many times in the past -- was not cut out by the editor of the Sun Times. I wonder what legal liability they incur when they let such things pass with full knowledge of their falsehood. First Amendment protection does not extend to false statements of public concern. To my lay-person's eye the author's reckless disregard for the truth clearly meets the minimum threshold for a libel action by a public figure and the Sun Times publication of that libel implicates them as well.
Re: Go Al Gore Go! Don't let the facts get in your way. - RgrF - 07-01-2007
The author may very well be guilty of libel but it was an op-ed opinion piece. I seriously doubt the newspaper is charged with fact-checking opinions. Were that true, Ann Coulter screeds, among others, would never see the light of day.
Re: Go Al Gore Go! Don't let the facts get in your way. - ho'ard - 07-01-2007
[quote spearmint]I never said it was an article but the facts are concrete. Everytime I post stuff like this people attack the sources to discount it. You cannot in this case. Nature Magazine is fallacious?
You would have to look up his citatiions to know if they're valid, taken out of context, from a peer-reviewed scientific journal or just from a fancy legit-sounding, non-peer-reviewed source. Have you done that?
The thing that scares me most about you is that there are 150 million people in this country just like you.